ladders are a no-no

nmurph · 05-25-2010, 09:17 PM

my boss' husband was on a ladder yesterday doing a little chainsaw trimming. he grabbed a limb that snapped and sent him to the ground. he broke both arms at the wrist and fractured his L1. he was sent to surgery and received plates and screws in both arms. needless to say, it will be a long, painful recovery.

gwiley · 05-26-2010, 04:55 AM

I would rephrase that to be "reaching out too far from ladders while using a chainsaw is a no-no".

Remember, ladders don't kill and maim people, gravity does

TreeCo · 05-26-2010, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwiley

I would rephrase that to be "reaching out too far from ladders while using a chainsaw is a no-no".

Remember, ladders don't kill and maim people, gravity does

Gwiley is right.

I'm sorry to hear about this accident but it has little or nothing to do with using a ladder. Ladders are very useful tools and can be used safely if used correctly.

BlueRidgeMark · 05-26-2010, 06:59 AM

I'm glad to hear you say that, Dan. I keep hearing about how ladders are certain death, and it doesn't make sense to me. I know there are lots of ways to hurt yourself using a ladder, but it doesn't make sense to me that they should never be used.

nmurph · 05-26-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gwiley

Remember, ladders don't kill and maim people, gravity does

not exactly. sudden deceleration is what kills. if gravity killed there would be dead sky divers everywhere. i kind of like gravity. it helps keep be firmly planted on the ground.

046 · 05-26-2010, 12:42 PM

danger of ladders is the complacency it brings to some folks

nothing wrong with using a ladder to quickly access canopy. but I've got a rope on me exactly like I'm normally climbing.

KodiakKen · 05-26-2010, 07:37 PM

I work for the local phone company and I am on a ladder every day. I use them on the support strand, poles, trees when necessary, roofs, and sometimes to walk across big ditches. I have never had an accident. ladders being dangerous is like saying guns kill people. A person that has limited or no knowledge is as dangerous as a live round in a blazing fire

nmurph · 05-26-2010, 08:06 PM

the difference in using a ladder as a platform to cut from is that the saw introduces some unique dangers not encountered when using ladder in a more conventional manner. you are often using a chainsaw at eye leve with the inherent danger of kick-back being so much closer than when you are on the ground, you are cutting weight our of trees that can cause a shift in positioning of the ladder, and you are dealing with a tool that can inflict serious or deadly damage if you fall on it when you land on the ground. and a chainsaw usually requires two hands to operate. i'm not saying ladders are dangerous, but when combined with a chainsaw the likelyhood of a bad outcome increases. look how many incidents are reported here where a HO tries to use a ladder to do some trimming.

gwiley · 05-26-2010, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nmurph

not exactly. sudden deceleration is what kills. if gravity killed there would be dead sky divers everywhere. i kind of like gravity. it helps keep be firmly planted on the ground.

Excellent point, I stand corrected (or at least sit corrected). Rep for accuracy.

BlueRidgeMark · 05-27-2010, 05:22 PM

Nice to see some common sense discussion of the dangers of ladders (and I know they are very real!), without the mindless mantra of "NEVER USE LADDERS!"

nmurph · 07-07-2010, 08:55 AM

my bosses husband is up and around, though far from well. he is still sleeping in his hospital bed.

my wife called be this morning and told me that the husband of one of her regular customers (she is a bank loan officer) was cutting an oak limb that had broken, but was still attached to the tree and leaning on the garage, sunday. when the limb was sawed through it sprung at him and knocked him off of the ladder. he now is in the hospital with.......wait for it........two shattered wrist (required surgery) and a fractured pelvis.
i know that ladders are a tool and that they don't kill people. but when you put stupid people in dangerous situations or smart people have the unforseen happen on a ladder, the results often serious or deadly.

Small Wood · 07-07-2010, 09:42 AM

A lady called me to do some cabling and trimming. We don't cable so I gave her the names of a couple tree guys I trust and told her to give them the trimming too. She told me that she used to have an Amish guy who was a great tree trimmer. He'd even tie two ladders together so he could reach the really high branches. Then she told me he didn't do it any more because he'd fallen. Duh!
Phil

nmurph · 07-07-2010, 10:07 AM

sounds like Darwin let one slip through the net........i like your company website.....you sound like a first class operation.

Small Wood · 07-07-2010, 10:29 AM

Thanks. If Darwin really worked there wouldn't be too many Amish left. They're pretty reckless with there own lives and worse; the lives of their kids.
They must have a special Darwin exemption.
Phil

Mike Van · 07-10-2010, 04:15 AM

Give a man a ladder [or two] - And he can reach ANYTHING!

05-25-2010, 09:17 PM	#1
nmurph Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: s ga Posts: 3,825	ladders are a no-no my boss' husband was on a ladder yesterday doing a little chainsaw trimming. he grabbed a limb that snapped and sent him to the ground. he broke both arms at the wrist and fractured his L1. he was sent to surgery and received plates and screws in both arms. needless to say, it will be a long, painful recovery. __________________ Stihls 064 044 x's 2 361 310 MM 026 MM 020 HT 75 Dolmars 7900 34 MM Husqvarnas 394 385 288 x's 2 281 262 x's 2 359 x's 2 357 346NE MM x's 2 345 Makita 7901 x's 3 Makita 540 510 Mac SP125C 890 1-80 250 640 700 Orline Mustang x's 2 Diston KB7-B Wright 5020 JD 12 Homelite XL-12 Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted!

05-26-2010, 04:55 AM	#2
gwiley Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Goochland, Va Posts: 989	Rephrase? I would rephrase that to be "reaching out too far from ladders while using a chainsaw is a no-no". Remember, ladders don't kill and maim people, gravity does __________________ Husqvarna 385XP, 372XP, 3 - 350, 240, 49 Central Boiler CL5036 - 10 cords/year Bobcat 743 (named Tiny), grapple, stump grubber, forks 1995 F350 4x4 crew cab, 16' 10Klb trailer Granberg MKIII Oxyacetylene welding rig Family PPE: .357 GP-100, .38 LCR, '94 30-30, .30 cal M1 (1945), Mossberg 500A 18" barrell

05-26-2010, 06:59 AM	#4
BlueRidgeMark Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,036	I'm glad to hear you say that, Dan. I keep hearing about how ladders are certain death, and it doesn't make sense to me. I know there are lots of ways to hurt yourself using a ladder, but it doesn't make sense to me that they should never be used. __________________ "Lose" rhymes with "booze". If you lose your saw, you don't know where it is. "Loose" rhymes with "goose". If you loose your saw, you untied it. I hope you didn't drop it out of a tree! "Then" is used to indicate time. "That was then, this is now." "Than" is used for comparisons. "Tom Hall is 2 years younger than I, but looks 15 years older." The apostrophe is used for contractions and the possessive form (Tom's 441 won't start.), NEVER for plurals.

05-26-2010, 12:42 PM	#6
046 Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,986	danger of ladders is the complacency it brings to some folks nothing wrong with using a ladder to quickly access canopy. but I've got a rope on me exactly like I'm normally climbing. __________________ Stihl 084, 064, 046, 026, 200T, HT 75, HT 131... Simington square grinder, Silvey round grinder

05-26-2010, 07:37 PM	#7
KodiakKen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northwest Ohio Posts: 246	just a note I work for the local phone company and I am on a ladder every day. I use them on the support strand, poles, trees when necessary, roofs, and sometimes to walk across big ditches. I have never had an accident. ladders being dangerous is like saying guns kill people. A person that has limited or no knowledge is as dangerous as a live round in a blazing fire __________________ MS 200T MS 360 MS 460 MS 880 let the big dog eat!! oregon 511a chain grinder huskee 35 ton h/v splitter

05-26-2010, 08:06 PM	#8
nmurph Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: s ga Posts: 3,825	the difference in using a ladder as a platform to cut from is that the saw introduces some unique dangers not encountered when using ladder in a more conventional manner. you are often using a chainsaw at eye leve with the inherent danger of kick-back being so much closer than when you are on the ground, you are cutting weight our of trees that can cause a shift in positioning of the ladder, and you are dealing with a tool that can inflict serious or deadly damage if you fall on it when you land on the ground. and a chainsaw usually requires two hands to operate. i'm not saying ladders are dangerous, but when combined with a chainsaw the likelyhood of a bad outcome increases. look how many incidents are reported here where a HO tries to use a ladder to do some trimming. __________________ Stihls 064 044 x's 2 361 310 MM 026 MM 020 HT 75 Dolmars 7900 34 MM Husqvarnas 394 385 288 x's 2 281 262 x's 2 359 x's 2 357 346NE MM x's 2 345 Makita 7901 x's 3 Makita 540 510 Mac SP125C 890 1-80 250 640 700 Orline Mustang x's 2 Diston KB7-B Wright 5020 JD 12 Homelite XL-12 Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted!

05-27-2010, 05:22 PM	#10
BlueRidgeMark Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,036	Nice to see some *common sense* discussion of the dangers of ladders (and I know they are very real!), without the mindless mantra of "NEVER USE LADDERS!" __________________ "Lose" rhymes with "booze". If you lose your saw, you don't know where it is. "Loose" rhymes with "goose". If you loose your saw, you untied it. I hope you didn't drop it out of a tree! "Then" is used to indicate time. "That was then, this is now." "Than" is used for comparisons. "Tom Hall is 2 years younger than I, but looks 15 years older." The apostrophe is used for contractions and the possessive form (Tom's 441 won't start.), NEVER for plurals.

07-07-2010, 08:55 AM	#11
nmurph Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: s ga Posts: 3,825	update my bosses husband is up and around, though far from well. he is still sleeping in his hospital bed. my wife called be this morning and told me that the husband of one of her regular customers (she is a bank loan officer) was cutting an oak limb that had broken, but was still attached to the tree and leaning on the garage, sunday. when the limb was sawed through it sprung at him and knocked him off of the ladder. he now is in the hospital with.......wait for it........two shattered wrist (required surgery) and a fractured pelvis. i know that ladders are a tool and that they don't kill people. but when you put stupid people in dangerous situations or smart people have the unforseen happen on a ladder, the results often serious or deadly. __________________ Stihls 064 044 x's 2 361 310 MM 026 MM 020 HT 75 Dolmars 7900 34 MM Husqvarnas 394 385 288 x's 2 281 262 x's 2 359 x's 2 357 346NE MM x's 2 345 Makita 7901 x's 3 Makita 540 510 Mac SP125C 890 1-80 250 640 700 Orline Mustang x's 2 Diston KB7-B Wright 5020 JD 12 Homelite XL-12 Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted!

07-07-2010, 09:42 AM	#12
Small Wood Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Armishville, OH Posts: 897	A lady called me to do some cabling and trimming. We don't cable so I gave her the names of a couple tree guys I trust and told her to give them the trimming too. She told me that she used to have an Amish guy who was a great tree trimmer. He'd even tie two ladders together so he could reach the really high branches. Then she told me he didn't do it any more because he'd fallen. Duh! Phil __________________ GRACE TREE SERVICE I'll keep on voting until they've all been replaced. ALL OF THEM! My life expectancy.

07-07-2010, 10:07 AM	#13
nmurph Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: s ga Posts: 3,825	sounds like Darwin let one slip through the net........i like your company website.....you sound like a first class operation. __________________ Stihls 064 044 x's 2 361 310 MM 026 MM 020 HT 75 Dolmars 7900 34 MM Husqvarnas 394 385 288 x's 2 281 262 x's 2 359 x's 2 357 346NE MM x's 2 345 Makita 7901 x's 3 Makita 540 510 Mac SP125C 890 1-80 250 640 700 Orline Mustang x's 2 Diston KB7-B Wright 5020 JD 12 Homelite XL-12 Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted!

07-07-2010, 10:29 AM	#14
Small Wood Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Armishville, OH Posts: 897	Thanks. If Darwin really worked there wouldn't be too many Amish left. They're pretty reckless with there own lives and worse; the lives of their kids. They must have a special Darwin exemption. Phil __________________ GRACE TREE SERVICE I'll keep on voting until they've all been replaced. ALL OF THEM! My life expectancy.

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