Just bought new STIHL MS460, good choice??

[THALL10326]

Frank has a point Tom, that 79'er is badass saw. The 460 does have it's place, but it's way below a 7900. :hmm3grin2orange:

Way below, don't think so. How do you sell a 460 over a 7900, very easy, just say that 7900 is a single ring saw and most run from it like rabies, trust me I know. The 7900 is a speed demon as is the 5100 but it takes more than speed to be No.1, ask Stihl they will tell ya, they know all about being No.1,haha

 

[Arrowhead]

I googled Dolmar and this was the first thing to pop up.......... :monkey:

The 7900 will be my next saw....

 

[WoodChuck'r]

Swing from the hip now?:jawdrop:

"Swing From The Hip Now"

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[jeepyfz450]

I really dont understand how you can go wrong with a 460. A friend of mine is a logger with his dad. they use 046s and 460 primarily they run the hell out of them every day and the saws never miss a beat. he said the last saw they bought was 5 years ago.


I get so tired of the Great Debate here. If you love your 7900 great. dont forget the saw doesnt make the man the man makes the saw.

 

[MCW]

I really dont understand how you can go wrong with a 460. A friend of mine is a logger with his dad. they use 046s and 460 primarily they run the hell out of them every day and the saws never miss a beat. he said the last saw they bought was 5 years ago.


I get so tired of the Great Debate here. If you love your 7900 great. dont forget the saw doesnt make the man the man makes the saw.

Hey the 460's are a great saw mate, no doubt, but nobody takes kindly to having a good saw (7900) ragged on by an obviously biased member who has never run one.

 

[gink595]

Well its good to see Dolmar has some fans out there. Remember however Elvis they aren't of the chainsaw world, Stihl is, just stating fact pilgrim, yup its good to be the King baby. That ole 7900 might stomp a 460 by a second or so in the cut but that 460 will stomped its azz in sales bigtime, and re-sale value, thats just the way it is, Elvis-1969 baby,hehe

Yeah Joat likes that 7900 of yours quite alot, so much so I think he's planning on buying mine later on this year and having Eric do a number on it. You guys have speed fever man........

It just isn't the speed it's the smoothness of it, It feels like Demi's body, nice and smooth and light, no pork at all

Joat has his own badboy 7900, he doesn't need to like mine, I think his is faster!!! Yes the speed is definatly a fever!!!

Way below, don't think so. How do you sell a 460 over a 7900, very easy, just say that 7900 is a single ring saw and most run from it like rabies, trust me I know. The 7900 is a speed demon as is the 5100 but it takes more than speed to be No.1, ask Stihl they will tell ya, they know all about being No.1,haha

I don't know if I'd buy that a 2 ring saw is any better than a single ring, lots of single ring saws out there, alot of Husky saws running single rings. Stihl makes a nice saw, I have way more Stihl saws than I do Dolmar but having both I won't buy for one minute that Dolmar is a inferior saw, no way! I liked Stihl alot until I bought a Dolmar, I've come to realize there is alot of good saws out there that aren't Stihls, and I don't want to be a Manufacturer Cheerleader for none of the them, unles they are what they advertise and the 7900 is all it is claimed, I think some model Stihls are more Hype than the total package for the price thy demand and claim. TO be honest I like all types of saws from various manufacturers, I like my 066 and 024 alot, even that little 011 is a decent cutting saw for it size, not a big fan of the 880 in stock form, I think I'd like a 3120 better.

My 066 will be sporting a single ring very soon

 

[Evan]

heck ive run my 440 two ring piston with only one ring installed for a hard firewood season with no problems didnt notice any advantage or dissadvantage to two or single ring on it.

 

[THALL10326]

It just isn't the speed it's the smoothness of it, It feels like Demi's body, nice and smooth and light, no pork at all

Joat has his own badboy 7900, he doesn't need to like mine, I think his is faster!!! Yes the speed is definatly a fever!!!




I don't know if I'd buy that a 2 ring saw is any better than a single ring, lots of single ring saws out there, alot of Husky saws running single rings. Stihl makes a nice saw, I have way more Stihl saws than I do Dolmar but having both I won't buy for one minute that Dolmar is a inferior saw, no way! I liked Stihl alot until I bought a Dolmar, I've come to realize there is alot of good saws out there that aren't Stihls, and I don't want to be a Manufacturer Cheerleader for none of the them, unles they are what they advertise and the 7900 is all it is claimed, I think some model Stihls are more Hype than the total package for the price thy demand and claim. TO be honest I like all types of saws from various manufacturers, I like my 066 and 024 alot, even that little 011 is a decent cutting saw for it size, not a big fan of the 880 in stock form, I think I'd like a 3120 better.

My 066 will be sporting a single ring very soon

I never said two ring was better one way or the other, I merely explained how to sell a 460 over a 7900 by pointing that out. Now I'm certain the Dolmar dealers would push the 7900 over the 460 by saying its a faster cutting saw, that is a true statement as well so neither point is a lie.

I also never said the 7900 was a inferior saw, I merely said the 460 outsells it by a huge amount and fetches a much higher price and re-sale value, both facts, not meant as slurs but just stating fact.

Competition is fun Frank, you do it on the cants and I do it at the rack. That 7900 will win in the cut but it will not win where I'm most interested, at the sales counter. You and me just have a different view of what is most important.

My 7900 is a runner, strong runner indeed. You've never heard me say a bad word about the 7900, facts yes, condeming it, never. You on the other hand seem to knock Stihl quite alot in your defence of Dolmar and thats ok, I got no problem with that knowing Dolmar couldn't pay Stihl's electric bill, yup, now that was a slur and probably not true either, but you know what I mean. Hell I can't let you carry on too much without shooting a Stihl missle at ya feet and make you dance now and then,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[MCW]

I also never said the 7900 was a inferior saw, I merely said the 460 outsells it by a huge amount and fetches a much higher price and re-sale value, both facts, not meant as slurs but just stating fact.

Resale only matters if you actually ever want to sell a 7900, which you won't (oh hang on, I'm gonna sell one of my 3 only cause I'm stubbing my toes on chainsaws at the moment everywhere I walk )

 

[gink595]

I never said two ring was better one way or the other, I merely explained how to sell a 460 over a 7900 by pointing that out. Now I'm certain the Dolmar dealers would push the 7900 over the 460 by saying its a faster cutting saw, that is a true statement as well so neither point is a lie.

I also never said the 7900 was a inferior saw, I merely said the 460 outsells it by a huge amount and fetches a much higher price and re-sale value, both facts, not meant as slurs but just stating fact.

Competition is fun Frank, you do it on the cants and I do it at the rack. That 7900 will win in the cut but it will not win where I'm most interested, at the sales counter. You and me just have a different view of what is most important.

My 7900 is a runner, strong runner indeed. You've never heard me say a bad word about the 7900, facts yes, condeming it, never. You on the other hand seem to knock Stihl quite alot in your defence of Dolmar and thats ok, I got no problem with that knowing Dolmar couldn't pay Stihl's electric bill, yup, now that was a slur and probably not true either, but you know what I mean. Hell I can't let you carry on too much without shooting a Stihl missle at ya feet and make you dance now and then,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

Good post Tom I do see your point as a buisness man, and I don't doubt for one minute that Stihl outsells Dolmar by quite a margin. That is reality, my trash talking the Stihl in this case was brought on by someone that trashed talked my beloved 7900's And was quite obvious that he had never seen or ran one, thats always a bit discouraging to see people give there reasons and then bash a very good saw, otherwise I'd never have posted in the first place.

I like to compare Stihl to General Motors, both world known, both big players in the market that are their nitches. However becasue a company is well known and has dealer support in about every other town doesn't mean they are the best (more GM than Stihl). They may succed at the counters and continue to have light bills greater than their competitions gross sales but it doesn't mean are the best. As a buisness person I can see why Stihl is your go-to dealership, it just makes good sense. But we both agree that Dolmar has a good product, a world class product, and it is a terrible shame they can't market their products better.

As for resale values, their is a guy right now that bought a 460 a few months back for I'm guessing 950.00 +/- and everyone here is telling him that 500.00 might be about right, thats a big loss for a saw that is practically new, around here I can buy a 7900 for 725.00 and I know I could get at least 500.00 out of it here. BUt a 090 on the otherhand, well I got nothing for that:greenchainsaw:

 

[MCW]

Another thing though as far as Stihl's sales go, they might be number one in overall sales (I'm sure they are) but look at their model lineup! They have a saw to suit absolutely everybody and their marketing department are certainly A class in Australia at least. They have really good, funny ads here.
I certainly won't rag on Stihl though, even some of their cheaper models get the absolute crap abused out of them and keep on running. Some of the owners of the saws I've seen here should be shot with what they've done to them...
Yet they haven't died

I'm with Gink though, when a Stihlhead has a go at my beloved 7900's it's only fair to fight back

 

[THALL10326]

Resale only matters if you actually ever want to sell a 7900, which you won't (oh hang on, I'm gonna sell one of my 3 only cause I'm stubbing my toes on chainsaws at the moment everywhere I walk )

Really. MC I put my like brand new 7900 in the trading post a few months back for 600.00. Never got a bite, not one comment, not one will you take less, not anything. I finally pulled it. Its a great running saw but I never use it, it just collects dust. Figured someone would want a like new 7900 at that price, I was wrong. Even so I like it very much but if I need 80cc power I just grab the 660 and go on. Thats not taking anything away from the 7900,
its just me. I think ole Joat is gonna take it later on this year and have it hopped it up for saw racing. I hope he wins many a race with it...

 

[THALL10326]

Good post Tom I do see your point as a buisness man, and I don't doubt for one minute that Stihl outsells Dolmar by quite a margin. That is reality, my trash talking the Stihl in this case was brought on by someone that trashed talked my beloved 7900's And was quite obvious that he had never seen or ran one, thats always a bit discouraging to see people give there reasons and then bash a very good saw, otherwise I'd never have posted in the first place.

I like to compare Stihl to General Motors, both world known, both big players in the market that are their nitches. However becasue a company is well known and has dealer support in about every other town doesn't mean they are the best (more GM than Stihl). They may succed at the counters and continue to have light bills greater than their competitions gross sales but it doesn't mean are the best. As a buisness person I can see why Stihl is your go-to dealership, it just makes good sense. But we both agree that Dolmar has a good product, a world class product, and it is a terrible shame they can't market their products better.

As for resale values, their is a guy right now that bought a 460 a few months back for I'm guessing 950.00 +/- and everyone here is telling him that 500.00 might be about right, thats a big loss for a saw that is practically new, around here I can buy a 7900 for 725.00 and I know I could get at least 500.00 out of it here. BUt a 090 on the otherhand, well I got nothing for that:greenchainsaw:

Welp Frank now your in area where I can shoot you some numbers. You do the math here. Husqvarna, if you add Craftman, Poulan and all their other branded names have 51% of the saw market in the USA. Stihl has, I last heard, right around 42% of the saw market in the US. That leaves 7% for everyone else. Worldwide the gap is even bigger. Thats quite a gap. The top two have over 93% of the whole US market and even more of the worldwide market. That means the rest are non players altogether. Those margins so great it will take a mircale from heaven and many many many years for the rest to even come close to Stihl or Husqvarna in sales.

I do agree the 5100 and 7900 in my opinion CC for CC can't be beat in power. I don't think Husky or Stihl can match them CC/power for CC/power. However here's my point. Apparently looking at the numbers the public doesn't care, they prefer the top two like they always have. You on the other hand are into speed and power and thats great, the 7900 is for you but your type of end user is in the minorty, not in the majority. You can win at that races but you can't win at the sales counter. I sell so surely you see my point and you race so I certainly see your point,

 

[THALL10326]

Another thing though as far as Stihl's sales go, they might be number one in overall sales (I'm sure they are) but look at their model lineup! They have a saw to suit absolutely everybody and their marketing department are certainly A class in Australia at least. They have really good, funny ads here.
I certainly won't rag on Stihl though, even some of their cheaper models get the absolute crap abused out of them and keep on running. Some of the owners of the saws I've seen here should be shot with what they've done to them...
Yet they haven't died

I'm with Gink though, when a Stihlhead has a go at my beloved 7900's it's only fair to fight back

Well I'm a DolmarHead, HuskyHead and Stihlhead, I have all 3, reckon I can go after all of you, LOLOLOLOL. Messing with ya. I see your point, have at em baby. I do confess I bleed orange and white, how can I not when I get letters sent to Stihl Inc from my buyers that look like this:

TW Perry’s customer – R MacDowell – Waterford, VA
We have, over many years, owned all sorts of small-engine-powered devices, and have had high
levels of frustration with all of these items. Finally, we got some professional advice from a logger
friend and purchased our first STIHL product, a 4-cycle pole prunner.
Now I have discarded every piece of equipment in my barn and replaced everything with STIHL
equipment. All of it is trouble-free.
What I think you should know in particular is that the STIHL specialist with whom we deal is
Tommy Hall at TW Perry in Leesburg, Virginia. He deserves a tremendous amount of credit, as he
is professional, quick, accommodating, and has a great sense of humor.
My wife and I enjoy dealing with him a great deal and we will do all that we can to encourage our
friends and acquaintances to switch to STIHL equipment.
Thanks for a great product line and for your superior dealer network.


When your customers send in letters like that it shows Stihl and me both are doing something right. Can't type, I'm patting myself on the back at the moment,LOLOL

Seriously everyone to their own but remember no one is entittled to make up their own facts,

 

[MCW]

Really. MC I put my like brand new 7900 in the trading post a few months back for 600.00...

That might be because you can buy brand new ones with a 20" bar and chain for $649 from one guy who's not a sponsor here

 

[THALL10326]

That might be because you can buy brand new ones with a 20" bar and chain for $649 from one guy who's not a sponsor here

Welp I paid 699.00. I was including a 20in bar and a 24 inch GB bar with chains. I was giving up 170.00. I thought 600.00 was a decent price. Tant no biggie, just a saw...

 

[MCW]

Welp I paid 699.00. I was including a 20in bar and a 24 inch GB bar with chains. I was giving up 170.00. I thought 600.00 was a decent price. Tant no biggie, just a saw...

Hey I agree on the resale. You're always gonna get a higher % of your original outlay back on a similar sized pro Husky or Stihl over a 7900.

 

[hybridkarpower]

You are not doing it properly then ! Perhaps the saw needs some tuning ? Or you just don't like Stihl :monkey:

I have good Stihls too, they just don't start in 1-2 pulls!

 

[MacLaren]

Now, in my humble opinion call jerrys small engine in forks,Washington and get a dual port muffler cover. I say jerrys because mid Atlantic stihl does not carry them. Then you will almost have the hp of the 660 @ 6.8 I believe. 360-374-2677.

 

[Arrowhead]

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