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I am new to this site, and very new to firewood processors. I have been cutting and selling firewood for about 7 years now. My firewood business started out, something I would do on the weekends to fill up my spare time, I would cut it and split it, pile it and then sell it the next year. I got laid off a few years back and have grown my firewood business, to a fairly decent size. Currently I am using a "big box store" 30ton splitter. I split it, put it in my skid steer and then pile it with the skid steer. I have no clue about firewood processors. There are probably 20 big firewood producers in my area, and only one has a firewood processor. I stopped and talked to him about his, and he swears by Hudson. Suprisingly he is about the only one in the area that has a firewood processor. Seems everyone else uses man power and a conventional spilitter. I typically sell about 300 face cords per year, and every year I run out of firewood. I know there is a substancial initial investment, but I think in the long run it would pay off. Anyone ever use one? Anything to look for, and look out for? Do they work as well as they claim to? Thanks for any insight.
 
Same Question.....

I too am in the same boat. I have already sold 100 full cords (300 faces). My brother and I do it all by hand and our customer base is still expanding. There was a guy up the street who I out sold handily and he sold a 3 year old "Fuelwood" brand processor for over $70k a few months back. The thing ate logs alive and had a 30ft conveyor that spit it out the other side. The Hundson product seems like it would be slower than my brother and I doing wood by hand at roughly 2 or 3 cords and hour. Have you looked at any others? I have looked around and I love the looks of the Canadian made Cord King but it too looks quite pricey especially if you cant feed it wood continuously.
 
By the time I cut the tree down, get the logs to the splitter split them and pile it, I am taking about 2 hours to do a face cord. I maybe am slow, I dont have the best splitter,(its almost brand new but not very fast), I just think there has to be a better way. Like I said theres quite a few big big firewood "producers" if you will that dont have firewood processors and I can figure out why, dont they work as well as advertised etc. Anyone tried to make their own? Anyone have plans for one?
 
You might get by with a Timberwolf TW-6 or TW-7 as an interim solution. They have a great website if you want to check out their equipment. Cost to buy new will be between $8k and $10k but I am told they are worth it. You can produce a lot of firewood on one of these machines, at least until you are ready for a full processor (much larger buy-in cost). Timberwolf makes those too. Best of luck with the decision.
 
Check out Youtube. Do a search for log splitter or wood processor, there are several videos..................454
My favorite is the Woodbine but there is another one that shears the logs instead of cutting them which is also very impressive.
 
I actually bought one again this year. About 7 years ago or so I was very big into the firewood business, had me a tw-5 complete with 4 way, log lift and actually went upto the Timberwolf fctory and bought the table grate, was a great addition for not only saving your back but also significantly cut down on time. With the obstinate way I get with an idea in my head, I started to do a ton of research on the processors and with the help of Timberwolf, I actually located a pro mx and picked it up for about 28k if I remember correctly, had already bought a conveyor that was made locally to use with the splitter, just relocated it over to the processor. When I got the processor, it has the Perkins on it, came with both the 6 and 8 way, live deck, etc. Man I got to tell you, that thing would truly hump some wood out, and fun to run, I mean effective lol. The problem I ran into was supplying it regularly, kept running out of material so I liquidated it with the conveyor for around 20k, took a bit of a beating but better than losing the shirt in the divorce. I had also purchased a Kubota articulating loader rs420 full cab wit heat, bought a grapple for it which i still have, but found that the pallet forks were much faster in keeping it loaded. With a guy in the loader and one running the processor, could do between 4 and 5 cords an hour, that top roller is absolutely amazing, it will forward logs itself to the saw if something were to happen to the feed trough chain, miss that machine.

Now this year, got the itch again, bought another tw-5 same set up right out of the dealer, then in the process of researching the processors, I came across the woodbine. Well, here is my experience so far with the woodbine. I bought a PTO model as I traded the articulating Kubota in for a tractor last spring, TN55D, more than enough power to run it, and I had it trailer mounted with the idea that it would be as simple to set up and break down as the timberwolf was, not the case. All together the processor mounted on the trailer, and the 24' hydraulic conveyor (part of the package with the processor w/o additional cost) with the financing comes to about 42k. Now, the woodbine is standard with an 8 way, 35 ton splitter, 30inch saw with 404 and the conveyor - nice addition with no additional cost as mentioned above. Now, my supply this year was all logged in 8/07 and with the exception of the red oak, nice and dry. So here we go. Overall I believe the design has some great points, ie: spring loaded log stop for length of cut, wide hopper for multi block splitting, pieces drop right into the conveyor which has a gap about 15' up roughly 2 inches to allow for the pieces of bark etc to drop out and not into the finished product, the unit has a walk way all the way to the pto pump so if need be you can make relief cuts to the logs if they get hung up. The live deck is 2 strand, logs move to the feed trough, the log stops are not high enough (my opinion) on the out side of the feed trough, actually had a big old cherry log come off the unit onto me, and thought it crushed my leg, but minor addition, with some simple welding to change that. The attachments to the feed trough conveyor are cut pieces of c channel stock not the formed hooks as the tw have, and they tend to snap off at the weld. The biggest problem I have had, and resulted in the unit actually being at a local fabrication shop right now is the wedge. The initial wedge totally self destructed, one wing snapped off at the weld, and another tore off. I called Chris and he provided me with another one for the time being/ I picked that one up, and it was so tight the pieces that came out fired out like a bullet. THe end reslt of that was the toe plate bending - 1" steel, cracks on both sides of the splitter 4x4 box tubing, and the c channel guides not only mushrooming but breaking off. Have had issues with the hydraulic tank leaking and some of the connections as well. The connections leaking were simple fixes, couple pipe wrenches, the hydraulic tank I made a make shift gasket out of an inner tube and that seemed to resolve the issue or atleast significantly reduce it.

All in all, it is a good machine, and with the cost of the processor and the conveyor coming to about 42k with financing, a whole lot easier to swallow than the tw's. which even a pro HD by itself is roughly 70k than add a conveyor for about 14k and your out lay is humongous. For the most part Chris has told me he builds the units himself, except contracts some of it out to outside fabricators - the wedges and hydraulic tanks are actually examples. He includes things like a seat, and the ability to walk done the unit as standard, a seat for example on the tw is like an 800.00 option.
I am particularly fond of the spring loaded log stop, it makes it much easier and faster to maintain precise sizes. Chris has stood right behind the product, each time a wedge issue arose, he backed it right up with ah new one. I am not sure what the unit will produce hourly, as I processed and deliver per load this year, but with a pto until I haven;t found that the speed is 4 plus and hour as the sales man told me, but lets face it, that is a lot of production at 4 plus an hour. The last time I talked to Chris, he was changing the design of the wedge a bit, in attempt to eliminate the problem I dealt with. As mentioned above, all in all I think it is a good machine, I lie alot of the design features he has included and thought of. Unfortunately he has the same issues the rest of us do finding effective, reliable, productive subs. I don;t know for sure, but I tend to believe that though he has sold alot of machines, I may be the one that has really worked it hard, 100 cords in about 2 months, so I uncovered alot of the problems that most probably haven;t had.

Overall, the cost and production, from the research I did including the expo's I think it is one of the best built units on the market, well designed and comfortable to use.
 
I actually bought one again this year. About 7 years ago or so I was very big into the firewood business, had me a tw-5 complete with 4 way, log lift and actually went upto the Timberwolf fctory and bought the table grate, was a great addition for not only saving your back but also significantly cut down on time. With the obstinate way I get with an idea in my head, I started to do a ton of research on the processors and with the help of Timberwolf, I actually located a pro mx and picked it up for about 28k if I remember correctly, had already bought a conveyor that was made locally to use with the splitter, just relocated it over to the processor. When I got the processor, it has the Perkins on it, came with both the 6 and 8 way, live deck, etc. Man I got to tell you, that thing would truly hump some wood out, and fun to run, I mean effective lol. The problem I ran into was supplying it regularly, kept running out of material so I liquidated it with the conveyor for around 20k, took a bit of a beating but better than losing the shirt in the divorce. I had also purchased a Kubota articulating loader rs420 full cab wit heat, bought a grapple for it which i still have, but found that the pallet forks were much faster in keeping it loaded. With a guy in the loader and one running the processor, could do between 4 and 5 cords an hour, that top roller is absolutely amazing, it will forward logs itself to the saw if something were to happen to the feed trough chain, miss that machine.

Now this year, got the itch again, bought another tw-5 same set up right out of the dealer, then in the process of researching the processors, I came across the woodbine. Well, here is my experience so far with the woodbine. I bought a PTO model as I traded the articulating Kubota in for a tractor last spring, TN55D, more than enough power to run it, and I had it trailer mounted with the idea that it would be as simple to set up and break down as the timberwolf was, not the case. All together the processor mounted on the trailer, and the 24' hydraulic conveyor (part of the package with the processor w/o additional cost) with the financing comes to about 42k. Now, the woodbine is standard with an 8 way, 35 ton splitter, 30inch saw with 404 and the conveyor - nice addition with no additional cost as mentioned above. Now, my supply this year was all logged in 8/07 and with the exception of the red oak, nice and dry. So here we go. Overall I believe the design has some great points, ie: spring loaded log stop for length of cut, wide hopper for multi block splitting, pieces drop right into the conveyor which has a gap about 15' up roughly 2 inches to allow for the pieces of bark etc to drop out and not into the finished product, the unit has a walk way all the way to the pto pump so if need be you can make relief cuts to the logs if they get hung up. The live deck is 2 strand, logs move to the feed trough, the log stops are not high enough (my opinion) on the out side of the feed trough, actually had a big old cherry log come off the unit onto me, and thought it crushed my leg, but minor addition, with some simple welding to change that. The attachments to the feed trough conveyor are cut pieces of c channel stock not the formed hooks as the tw have, and they tend to snap off at the weld. The biggest problem I have had, and resulted in the unit actually being at a local fabrication shop right now is the wedge. The initial wedge totally self destructed, one wing snapped off at the weld, and another tore off. I called Chris and he provided me with another one for the time being/ I picked that one up, and it was so tight the pieces that came out fired out like a bullet. THe end reslt of that was the toe plate bending - 1" steel, cracks on both sides of the splitter 4x4 box tubing, and the c channel guides not only mushrooming but breaking off. Have had issues with the hydraulic tank leaking and some of the connections as well. The connections leaking were simple fixes, couple pipe wrenches, the hydraulic tank I made a make shift gasket out of an inner tube and that seemed to resolve the issue or atleast significantly reduce it.

All in all, it is a good machine, and with the cost of the processor and the conveyor coming to about 42k with financing, a whole lot easier to swallow than the tw's. which even a pro HD by itself is roughly 70k than add a conveyor for about 14k and your out lay is humongous. For the most part Chris has told me he builds the units himself, except contracts some of it out to outside fabricators - the wedges and hydraulic tanks are actually examples. He includes things like a seat, and the ability to walk done the unit as standard, a seat for example on the tw is like an 800.00 option.
I am particularly fond of the spring loaded log stop, it makes it much easier and faster to maintain precise sizes. Chris has stood right behind the product, each time a wedge issue arose, he backed it right up with ah new one. I am not sure what the unit will produce hourly, as I processed and deliver per load this year, but with a pto until I haven;t found that the speed is 4 plus and hour as the sales man told me, but lets face it, that is a lot of production at 4 plus an hour. The last time I talked to Chris, he was changing the design of the wedge a bit, in attempt to eliminate the problem I dealt with. As mentioned above, all in all I think it is a good machine, I lie alot of the design features he has included and thought of. Unfortunately he has the same issues the rest of us do finding effective, reliable, productive subs. I don;t know for sure, but I tend to believe that though he has sold alot of machines, I may be the one that has really worked it hard, 100 cords in about 2 months, so I uncovered alot of the problems that most probably haven;t had.

Overall, the cost and production, from the research I did including the expo's I think it is one of the best built units on the market, well designed and comfortable to use.

Thanks for all your comments. Thanks for this comment too, this is what I was looking for. Every machine will break, and without product support the machine isnt worth anything
 
You just need to get a super splitter. I have one and they are great.

Scott

The wedge on the "super splitter" seems short. I get some logs that are 48". I flip my splitter I got now vertically, and even the wedge and backstop on that are short enough that I usually have to split it, turn it split it etc quite a few times before I can get the wood to split. Some of the stuff I split is pretty wet and stringy, I just dont know if the wedge on that machine is tall enough to split big logs that are stringy.
 
to me, what i've seen of it, the hudson eqpt. is equivelent of the "Wild Thing" lol

if your seriously looking into a processor MAKE SURE you have LOTS AND LOTS of long, slick logs that are between 10-18 inches around. dont buy one thinking that a logger will bring you "all the logs you can handle" because they LIE. I've delt with 3 or 4 and its the same story every single time. and if you dont have a set of scales to weigh the truck, the loads will keep getting shorter and shorter....

Anyways point is, if you dont have the logs, machinery to handle the logs, or a place to take a whole bunch of wood, then a processor is worthless.


oh and in realistic time, i can only cut just short of 2 cords per hour with my timberwolf.....

To be honest with ya, you just need to hire them two guys on here that can cut 3 cords by hand in one hour :jawdrop: that would be more profitable :laugh:
 
I used the analogy of a hot dog cart vs. a restaurant. Do I want to be financially tied to the firewood business where it becomes something I absolutely have to do to keep up with the loan payments or do I want to make some money doing something I enjoy. Granted the amount I can make with a small pickup, saw and splitter is limited and a with a processor it might be higher but the for me at this point didn't seem worth the risks given all the things I considered.

Employees: Do I want any? How much do you pay? Under the table or on the books? SS, Medicare, Workers Comp? What if they get hurt?

Logs: Can I find a reliable source? Will costs go up that I can pass on?

Equipment: I don't have another business like construction or landscaping where I have a skid steer/tractor/dump truck. Is a firewood business alone enough to justify these purchases?

Insurance, fuel costs, maintenance and parts. Demand for and price of the product.

Right now the money I have invested (a little over 3k for my Super Split) can be recouped by what I save in heating costs in a couple of years and the rest is gravy. Most importantly I get a lot of enjoyment cutting, splitting, stacking, burning and discussing firewood.

Good luck no matter what you do!
 
Thanks for the input!

Thanks for the suggestions on processors Medic! Im not sure if it would be profitable for me to have such a financial obligation to one yet. I think Im going with the Timberwolf TW-5 and add a six way wedge.

KRS and Cord Arrow----My borther is a 16 year old junior in high school who lives for football and is actually bigger than I. He is 6'3 and right around 250 lbs. I am a sophomore in College and I am an inch shorter and 10 pounds lighter. Along with that he is a red head and can have quite a temper sometimes which he takes out on wood which is fantastic for business!!! We get the logs delivered from a local logger that is more than generous to us.---Assuming 4 saws (MS 361-440-460-660) are sharp and the weather is nice we can handle around three cords an hour. Its probably more towards 1 cord each in the winter. He runs a 37 ton 4-way Northern Star splitter and I run a homemade 4-way splitter I built for a little under $900.----wood has paid for my college tuition, the splitters, a truck for the both of us, and pocket money continously.
 
You are most definitely welcome.

I absolutely love the timber wolf products, I am considering going to the packaged end of the business as well, I have been able to locate a couple of retail areas, and one of them is just up the road from me, and directly on the way to Vt. so may just give that a shot. I was considering trading the 5 I bought this year up to a 7, they offer a fantastic box wedge system that would be exceptional for the packaged end of the market.

With regard to the processors, I just don;t think as I mentioned that you could beat a timberwolf, but it sure is a ton of money to lay out, but I am really hooked on that top roller system, but with the cost and the unbelievable wait to get one in, when I found the woodbine, I was sold, and Chris (designer, builder and fabricator) has really been great. As you mentioned all things will break, but again as you said service is paramount. When I first started to run into problems, he called me right away, talked me through some of them, as simple as adjusting the pressure on the pump he uses for the bar and chain oil, to offering to ship me a new wedge when it first went hay wire, or I could come over and pick it up. He builds them about an hour or so from me so over I went. He has the parts he uses to build them in stock, even the chains, for a ton less than I could buy locally, Oregon 404 96 dl for $20.00. I think if I had an independent power plant on it, it would do better, and if I was isolated to just poles, but some loggers will as mentioned tell you one thing and then deliver another.
 
Medic, 4cords an hour?, ....4 full cords per hour, from log to split for homeowners, regardless of log diameter? that is a tough pill to swallow.

I operate a Multitek processor, 20+yrs old, and 1cord/45min is average to good, considering the logs are varied in diameter, and straight to crooked as a boomerang. 8"dia to 30" dia, oak, locust, elm(@#$), doesn't matter, an 8way splitter just leaves many pieces too large once the log exceeds 14" dia.

If I were shopping for a processor, I'd pay money to see a manufactured setup that does 4cords/hr.

Large log produces large splits, they need to be fed back through the splitting process, that takes time to keep the fingers attached to their original hands.

4cords/hr, even if they were telephone poles, I can't imagine that rate of production, and I run a $100k+ machine.

Maybe we don't know what we are doing, but 20+yrs of two generations should have the bugs worked out.

Medic, not trying to be a naysayer, it's just hard to picture that kind of production rate.
 
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From a review site:

Re: Fire Wood Processor
The best all around firewood processer is the Hakki from finland. Hudson sells it. The smallest one is about 15k, but can process about 4 cords/ hour.

It is tractor mounted or needs a power unit of 25 hp.

Additionally they manufacture their own but are somewhat slower but have their own power plant.

Check these out. IT will be hard to build one for less than 10K.
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Blockbuster is rated at 3-4 an hour. There is no need for this to become an argument, or implications of falsity, but possibly you are looking at perfection of product and not usability. There are multiple units on the market now that can handle 4 cord an hour, hell mine is supposedly able to do that, which I don;t see ever happening.
 
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