A new termination knot?

[pdqdl]

While researching knots for another thread, I came across this little gem: the pedigree cow hitch. VERY easy to tie, this looks like an improvement on the anchor hitch, as it looks like it would hold more securely and it does not seem to tighten down irreversibly. I have not done any Moray-style knot testing, but I think this might be as good as the anchor, buntline, or scaffold hitch.


What do you think?

http://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/knots/knots_hitches_cow.html#pedigreecowhitch

 

[Job Corps Tree]

A New termination Knot

Looks like it could be a good one I use a Clove, but now I want to try this That Clove is on a Biner backed with a half hitch

 

[pdqdl]

A clove hitch? I was thinking of this used on a carabiner or snap. Surely you ain't hanging from a clove hitch?


My early testing suggests that the improved cow hitch unties much easier than an anchor hitch.

 

[davej]

While researching knots for another thread, I came across this little gem: the pedigree cow hitch. VERY easy to tie, this looks like an improvement on the anchor hitch

This reminds me of a Sherrill e-mail a month or two back. It also reminds me of one I'd like to try on a Trad tie-in -- the cow hitch on a cow hitch.

 

[Gumneck]

Looks like a buntline hitch.

 

[treemandan]

I don't know but let me borrow that potatoe masher will ya?

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

This reminds me of a Sherrill e-mail a month or two back. It also reminds me of one I'd like to try on a Trad tie-in -- the cow hitch on a cow hitch.

That sounds like a gob of tuns that would get in the way. I'll stick with the Fisherman's.

 

[pdqdl]

I agree with that, JPS. The scaffold tails better, too.

I was thinking it would be a huge improvement over the scaffold for attaching to something where untying would be necessary, or for those folks that were using the anchor or buntline.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I agree with that, JPS. The scaffold tails better, too.

I was thinking it would be a huge improvement over the scaffold for attaching to something where untying would be necessary, or for those folks that were using the anchor or buntline.

I use the fisherman where the connector can be removed from the knot, and an anchor where you have to untie to remove. If there is any heavy loading I will use a bo'lin with a follow-through, and maybe a double turn.

 

[davej]

That sounds like a gob of tuns that would get in the way. I'll stick with the Fisherman's.

Yeah, it was thought up as a cinching replacement for a fig-8 on a bight for a TRAD tie-in.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Wow...Yuck!

Though I've been caught playing with my rope more then once. My Diane bought be The Knot Bible for my birthday and sometimes I sit watching TV tying knots.

Maybe someday I will be good enough to do decorative ropework.

 

[pdqdl]

DaveJ:

What is that thing supposed to be? It looks like a cow hitch tied around the standing end of the line. Problem is, that is very tedious to tie.

The knot that starts this thread is nothing more than a cow hitch with the tail tucked under the hitch, similar to the anchor hitch. If you tie it as a lark's head, then clip a carabiner through the loops, then tuck the tail in, it is faster and easier than an anchor hitch, and it doesn't really take up any more space. It tails the same way as an anchor hitch, too.

Here is a better guide to tying it than the first one I posted: how-to-tie-a-pedigree-cow-hitch-knot

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

DaveJ:

What is that thing supposed to be?

It also reminds me of one I'd like to try on a Trad tie-in -- the cow hitch on a cow hitch.

Hope that helps

 

[pdqdl]

Here is a picture of the anchor hitch (on the left) and the pedigree cow hitch (on the right). As you can see, there is not much of a difference in size, nor how it tails.

The PCH is a bit more effort and time to tighten up, so I presume that it is rather easier to untie as well.

 

[lumberjack333]

imho the anchor hitch is easier to tie (correctly - simple knot) than that pedigree cow hitch, slightly less bulky, and I have never had a problem getting it undone in less than a few seconds... If you're loading up an anchor hitch to that point then your either: A. Severely obese or B. Shock loading the whole system by.... ??? screwing around above your tie in ??? As a termination knot, I don't see the point. Maybe use it to tie off the tail of a rope when pulling things with a vehicle, but then why not use the ol' Bowline? or Bowline on a Bight... Double Bowline? I strongly belive in the KISS method when it comes to many things in life, don't overcomplicate simple things. I've also been wrong about those many things though.

Anyone else ever have an anchor hitch load up on them in a terrible way?

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

All I'm seeing is a more complicated knot that solves a non existent problem. A neat knot to know but not one that is going to be replacing my anchor hitch!

That is my opinion with a lot of new and rediscovered knots, like the bull hitch that Young Nick showed us a few years ago. I thought it was neat, until I could not get it off a captive-eye carabiner.

 

[davej]

DaveJ:
What is that thing supposed to be? It looks like a cow hitch tied around the standing end of the line. Problem is, that is very tedious to tie.

Yes, it was a proposed puzzle -- find a mid-line knot that will cinch from either rope end. It looks like crap but it does do that.

I also found the Sherrill cow hitch I vaguely remembered, but it was a spar attachment method and not relevant.

 

[davej]

What do you think?

http://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/knots/knots_hitches_cow.html#pedigreecowhitch

You know, this thing sorta reminds me of an unfinished anchor hitch.

 

[pdqdl]

This DCH hitch is a bit of extra added onto an anchor hitch, not "a less than complete" anchor hitch. I have never trusted an anchor hitch, so when I found this one, I thought I liked it better.

For some reason, the stupidly simple knots like the anchor hitch seem not as trustable as a more complicated knot. I would put the clove hitch into that group, too. Oddly, I have no distrust whatsoever of a timber hitch, and it is the simplest of all.

As stated previously in this thread, a scaffold hitch works very well on carabiners, but you sure can't untie it. I have come to trust the scaffold, but it took me a while.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I climbed on an anchor for several years and never had one creep. I would never climb on a clove, I've seen them roll, or capsize. I would never use a timber for a tie-in either, though as a temporary rigging point it is very good.