A Not Uncommon Yarding Problem.

[slowp]

I was out scouting a unit ahead--refreshing my memory. It had been partially yarded. I came across this problem. From these photos, can you tell what the problem is? The rule is No Skidders, cat, forwarders etc. allowed. Only a yarder or helicopter.

This is looking uphill. Ignore my beautiful assistant's zombie eyes.

This is looking down the slope.

I'd type the answer upside down but that would be too much trouble. :monkey:

 

[synness4]

put a harness on your "used" dog hooked to the logs and trow a stick to the log truck !!!

 

[logging22]

theres a pretty dog in the way? Did i win?

 

[371groundie]

ok eastcoaster out of my league, but ill take a stab at it.

it looks like you are kinda on a step in the slope. aka its steeper below you than above you. so if you set up a yarder on top of the hill, the wood from below where you are standing will catch on the hump.

thats my guess. if not that it might have somthing to do with the water in the background of the second pic.

 

[slowp]

ok eastcoaster out of my league, but ill take a stab at it.

it looks like you are kinda on a step in the slope. aka its steeper below you than above you. so if you set up a yarder on top of the hill, the wood from below where you are standing will catch on the hump.

thats my guess. if not that it might have somthing to do with the water in the background of the second pic.

We have a winner. The slope is the problem. They'll need to rig up an intermediate support or jack to get the logs up over that. Or else yard downhill.

The unit has old skid trails all over it, but is under a court order to use yarders or helicopter.

I believe they might start up in June.

 

[Humptulips]

So is it logged above the hump? It looks like it if the dog is above the timber to be logged.
If so then the question arises do you log across dead ground or down hill. Ack, what a terrible set of options.

 

[slowp]

So is it logged above the hump? It looks like it if the dog is above the timber to be logged.
If so then the question arises do you log across dead ground or down hill. Ack, what a terrible set of options.

Yes it is. There was a disagreement between the logger and mill. Somebody else will have to finish the unit. It won't be a happy place to be.

 

[floyd]

AKA deflection. Yrs ago, in another galaxy, I worked for USFS. We used to run profiles looking at...deflection.

 

[slowp]

AKA deflection. Yrs ago, in another galaxy, I worked for USFS. We used to run profiles looking at...deflection.

Well, if you ran a profile, this spot would be the critical point. The logging system was prescribed by a court. It is doable with an intermediate support.
Downhill? Well maybe I should run a profile to see if that works. Have to find out who has the most recent issue of loggerpc.

Usually, an experienced logger will figure it out as good as loggerpc. In fact, I ran a profile on another unit, the logger walked it. The logger said hang skyline 30 feet up. Loggerpc said the same.

 

[Gologit]

Usually, an experienced logger will figure it out as good as loggerpc. In fact, I ran a profile on another unit, the logger walked it. The logger said hang skyline 30 feet up. Loggerpc said the same.

Ssshhhhhhhh...don't let the people in the office know that. They'll revise the software so the logger will be wrong.

 

[forestryworks]

The logging system was prescribed by a court.

and that is what's wrong with this country.

not snipping at you Slowp, but stuff like that...

 

[floyd]

Need a little more info. Why did the court prescribe skyline & who recommended this to the judge?

 

[slowp]

It was before my time here. An environmental group took the sale to court.
Using skyline for 100% of 2 sales was the judgement. No groundbased, no where, nohow.

But, about 100 feet away, across a little drainage, is a new sale logged with a cat. It makes no sense, doesn't have to make sense, and "that's just the way it is."

Gologit, that software is made by Oregon State. They'll have to change it. Maybe they will since the last time I was in their Forestry building, there was a large bulletin board with HEMP IS THE ANSWER proclaimed. Now, whatever the question is, remember, HEMP IS THE ANSWER.

 

[Rookie1]

It was before my time here. An environmental group took the sale to court.
Using skyline for 100% of 2 sales was the judgement. No groundbased, no where, nohow.

But, about 100 feet away, across a little drainage, is a new sale logged with a cat. It makes no sense, doesn't have to make sense, and "that's just the way it is."

That is soooooo stupid. What is this world coming to,a bunch of sue happy freaks.

 

[slowp]

That is soooooo stupid. What is this world coming to,a bunch of sue happy freaks.

Been that way for a looooonnnngggg time here. Anybody but a forester is an expert on forest management. No more ranting, gotta make the best of it.

 

[Humptulips]

Used to be on OlympicNF no equipment was ever allowed off the road. I see now they are backing off of that a bit and allowing some ground based equipment to operate. I think it won't last if what I see recently is an example. An outfit logging a sale just south of me had knee deep mud when I rode along with a friend to deliver a few loads of rock.

I found those logging profiles to be next to worthless. It seemed they assuned a skyline could run for a couple thousand feet with no belly. You draw a straight line on a piece of paper. It's gotta work, right!

 

[slowp]

The computer run program is pretty good. It is a little more complicated than a line on a paper.

What with the deadlines for putting up a sale, there isn't enough time to get plans very accurate. That's a bad thing. I do a lot of fixing.

Skidders are a cheaper way to go, but folks don't understand that they can't run during wet weather.

 

[RPM]

Guess you can't get a mid slope road or trail up on the break and spliit the yarding up / down? Although suppose if you are looking at intermediates they are not going to let you build a piece of road either.

That sucks ... I hate when "rules" screw up good logging chance.

 

[Hddnis]

At least the court didn't order that blimps be used; I have heard of that being requested, don't know if it was in the ruling or not.



Mr. HE

 

[AlaskanLogger]

Just curious, how far is the yarding below the bench? And what will the average road length be? Skyline road, i mean....