A.R.T Positioner

[reachtreeservi]

I use a tenex eye to eye tied with a distal for my lanyard adjustment on a steel core.
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I'm thinking about buying an A.R.T Positioner for my second lanyard adjuster ( non steel core) to cut down on the bulk at the dee.

Anyone using one of these ?

I'd appreciate your thoughts on this device.

 

[reachtreeservi]

C'mon fellas.

Doesn't anyone have any info about this product?

 

[Grace Tree]

I bought one this spring and I'm pretty happy with it. Seems less affected by pine sap than my hitch. Works smoothly and is a bit less cluttered than a hitch and minding pulley. There's no big "wow, this is great" factor but it does a good job.
Buy one-get the economy moving again,
Phil

 

[reachtreeservi]

Trango ?

After a little more research I've decided to go with a trango cinch instead of the A.R.T.

I talked to a buddy in Florida who has one and he loves his.

A little bulkier, but a heck of alot cheaper.
With the rope snap and the swivel , you're looking at 300 bucks for the positioner. Ouch !

Anyone else have any thoughts on the cinch?

 

[Grace Tree]

The ART lanyard positioner is $109. Are we talking about the same device?
Phil

 

[reachtreeservi]

We're talking about the same device, they've probably just went up in price since you bought your A.R.T. adjuster.

On page 34 of the 2008 Sherril catalog :

155.00 positioner only
205.00 system with rope snap (and 10 ft. lanyard)
95.00 swivel connector

 

[Grace Tree]

Gottcha. I was looking at the current price on only the positioner from a company on the west coast; unnamed because they're not a sponsor on AS.
Regards,
Phil

 

[D Mc]

Reach, I use the Trango and I think you will not be disappointed if you decide to try it. I think it has plenty of potential for a clever fellow for it to be utilized in many situations and manners. It is well made and simple. I got it primarily for experimenting with a really long flip line/secondary tie in. I use 20 ft of Bee-Line. It does what it's suppose to but truthfully I have found in most situations if I need a secondary tie in point, I would just as soon use a climbing line and as far as using it for a flip line goes, it is super light weight. The kind of thing you would use mostly on small diameter wood (high in the crowns).

Dave

 

[reachtreeservi]

Thanks D Mc,

I use my climbing line as a second tie in almost all the time.
Tied in a running bowline and attached to the center dee with a hitch.

I want to set something up with 2 flip lines for doing conifers, where you have to pass a bunch of limbs to set a high pulley.

If I trim on the way up, I just use my climbing line.

 

[B_Turner]

Reach, I use the Trango and I think you will not be disappointed if you decide to try it. I think it has plenty of potential for a clever fellow for it to be utilized in many situations and manners. It is well made and simple. I got it primarily for experimenting with a really long flip line/secondary tie in. I use 20 ft of Bee-Line. It does what it's suppose to but truthfully I have found in most situations if I need a secondary tie in point, I would just as soon use a climbing line and as far as using it for a flip line goes, it is super light weight. The kind of thing you would use mostly on small diameter wood (high in the crowns).

Dave

I just got a trango cinch to try out and wanted to post some thoughts in terms of the cinch as a lanyard adjuster.

Very clever gizmo, and in general grabs very well and gives lots of control for releasing line. Rated from 9.4 to 11mm but seems to work okay on bluemoon which is around 11.7.

I got the cinch to try it on my second lanyard (a 11mm 20 footer that I sometimes carry) to go along with a shorter lanyard I carry with a knut. I liked the idea that the device was "shorter" on the rope than a friction hitch.

The one thing that makes me a little nervous so far is that if the cinch is restricted in it's movement (can't swing forward) when it has no load on it, the line can run freely through the device without ever catching.

It needs to be able to freely swing forward from the climber so it can grab, and I can image situations where I am against the tree or branch and the device wouldn't grab.

It was designed as a rock climbing belay device, and for that the belayer holds the device in front of them with the flat side to the side, so the cinch is hanging off the carabiner with the rope through it. Thus a pull of the rope and the cinch can swing up and grab.

I like the control it gives, but so far don't quite trust it like I do a friction hitch. Also there is the issue that the release lever has to swing out 180 degrees to release tension and that can be pretty awkward depending on which side you run it on. (It was designed to be clipped in in front of a belayer.)

All in all, hard to beat a friction knot of your choice (like a knut with short legs) with a micro pulley. Compact, works on left or right side and pretty foolproof.