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Finally got to mount my 090 AV on the logosol and get a bit of milling done, but, more importantly fitted a simple push bar and hand throttle.
I was going to go the way of Bobl until when raking through one of my local Stihl dealers back room I found this kit. They are made to fit the TS 760 so are perfect for several Stihl's and fits the 090 just as well. I will try it on some other Stihls and whatever else I can find and report.
Ther are a few other kits I don't know a price as I took a couple to see if they were any good. Anyone wants one give me a shout and I will sort something out.
 
Looks good!

One question, it looks like the new push bar seems to block the chain brake handle movement? - not that it is that significant on a logosol mill. :)

Just a couple of tips about remote throttles based on my experiences.

1) Trigger pusher type setups:
Remote throttles that operate by contact of a pusher acting directly onto the trigger, especially those that use a metal pusher, will cause trigger damage. The vibe on any saw (but especially the 090) will eventually cause the pusher to wear away the trigger. With my 076 remote throttle I though I was going to be OK because I had a rubber bike brake pad acting as the trigger pusher but the vibe wore away the rubber pad pusher and started wearing away the trigger face after about 20 logs. I then stuck a 1" long piece of 3/4" diam hydraulic hose onto the brake and this larger harder rubber surface has been much better although some wear still has occurred since and I will have to replace the trigger at some stage. This is one reason why I went a different way with the 880 out.

2) Remote Throttle location:
If the remote is located on the mill it has to be disconnected every time the saw is removed from the mill. This eventually becomes a PITA. A better place for the remote is on the saw - eg the wrap handle.

The last two issues refer to alaskan mills and should be less of or no a problem on a Logosol type mill.

3) Type of hand throttle lever - instantaneous v throttle lock.
A chain saw is not really like a slower revving lawn mower where the revs can be set by a throttle lock and then one more or less goes for it. I prefer an outboard throttle that enables me to drop the saw revs asap in case a problem arises. The quickest way to ensure this is for the operator to always have their hand on the throttle. If the operator inadvertently has their hand elsewhere and has to reach over to a lever to drop the revs a lot can happen in that time which is why saws don't come with a throttle lock. I do agree that there are times when a throttle lock is very useful and I do use mine sometimes on the 880 but since my throttle control is also my push lever I don't usually take my had off it. Also I like to have throttle that I can finesse into the cut and when leaving the cut. Sure one can use the trigger for that (although I note trigger access is not that good on some setups) but why not build the fine rev control into the more comfortable outboard throttle.

4) Cable location:
I also prefer the cable to be well out of the way of the operator. Unless the operator can carry the mill/saw at arms length (a bit hard with an 076/090) the operator will come in contact with the cable. This means for example if the operator trips when carrying the running saw/cs the cable might snag on the operator and rev the saw and fall onto fast running saw. Both my setups have cables which run out of the back of the saw and away from the operator This is not a problem if the saw has a functioning chain brake. One minor problem with the cables coming out of the base of the saw is when the saw is removed from the mill it cannot easily sit on its base.

I hope this is useful to some folks.
 
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Thanks fellas, Olyman that is the part # in the pic but give me a day and will get a price etc.
BobL as always good advice, it just looks like a chainbrake so no problem there ! As for the other points I had thought of bonding a thin stainless steel shim on the face of the trigger ? but on that model of 090 there is a cable throttle so I can just replace the original cable and cut out using the trigger altogether.
I had just put it on and wanted to use it a bit before running the cable properly etc and like the way I can remove it from the saw in a moment as all you do is undo a rubber strap and it's off !
I also want to be able to feather the throttle and that set up is a lot more usable than it looks.
 
BobL as always good advice, it just looks like a chainbrake so no problem there !
Ahh . . . is it one of those so called hand guards?

[/QUOTE]As for the other points I had thought of bonding a thin stainless steel shim on the face of the trigger ? but on that model of 090 there is a cable throttle so I can just replace the original cable and cut out using the trigger altogether.[/QUOTE]
Yep - I'd go the cable if I could. My setups still leave the trigger fully operational so that I can use the saw in other ways with out fully removing the remote but this is non issue for you with such a huge saw stable :clap:

I had just put it on and wanted to use it a bit before running the cable properly etc and like the way I can remove it from the saw in a moment as all you do is undo a rubber strap and it's off !
Sure I understand - done thsi myself many times. The rubber strap sounds a lot more convenient than mine (which involved a metal strap that had to be undone by spanner and a screwdriver) but that still leaves a dangling cable and handle. If you want to be able to use the saw itself as big bucker or faller the dangling cable/handle has to be tied up. Again not a problem in your case.

I also want to be able to feather the throttle and that set up is a lot more usable than it looks.
Yep - I like that too.

Wouldn't mind seeing a close up of the rubber strap thingo.

Cheers
Bob
 
Do you use the M7 model? or Big Mill?

If M7, Does the saw still mount to the Logosol cradle with that on?

What does this set-up do for you?

I'm just getting started ... have an M7, 660.

Milled for the first day last weekend - had a great time ... a few of my buddies helped me bring down 5 cherry - about 24 inches each - and a nice sized sassafras.

Mike
 
Close ups as requested Bob.
Mike Im not familiar with the M7 and only have the Big Mill set up.
The additions give me more control and an easier mill to operate.
The push bar helps me with my biggest complaint with the logosol which is when starting the cut the front rail is to close to the bar making it awkward to start with a good straight cut. The logosol is of course designed to run on it's own rails and unlike the Granberg types which has the front rail further away from the bar.
Ignore the first pic I posted it by mistake and can't seem to delete it, it's very blured !
 
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The pair of us, Little Monkey, got a bit more done a couple of days ago and the push bars and hand throttles seem to work fine.
As you can see LM has mounted his throttle on the front handle of his 660 and although not as fast to de mount as my 090 he's happy with the set up.
Still have to tidy up cables and in my case attach the cable to the original throttle linkage on the 090.
Olyman if you want a kit let me know as I have one and for a whole 10 euros +p&p it's yours.
 
The pair of us, Little Monkey, got a bit more done a couple of days ago and the push bars and hand throttles seem to work fine.
As you can see LM has mounted his throttle on the front handle of his 660 and although not as fast to de mount as my 090 he's happy with the set up.
Still have to tidy up cables and in my case attach the cable to the original throttle linkage on the 090.
Olyman if you want a kit let me know as I have one and for a whole 10 euros +p&p it's yours.

thats how many dineros american??? dont know exchange rate--thanks,oly
 
What ? I can't hear you ! You are dead right Bob I have plugs in otherwise I'd be saying that a lot !
I found that I was changing my hold a bit and found on that stem a narrow stance was easiest on the day.
Olyman it's around $13.
 
I've been looking at these great pics again and noticed a couple of things

First thing is the right hand handle being use by LM in this shot seems very awkward to use, having to reach across the horizontal bar like that.
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The next one is the position of your left hand in this shot. That looks and feels pretty comfortable to me.
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I think that maybe vertical hold is in the long run more comfortable than a horizontal hold, maybe because It's a bit like driving a car or a holding a beer?
 
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Thanks bob, yes it's a little awkward but again a shortcomming of the Logosol is as you start and finish the rails are very close to the bar so in the first pic LM is using the upright logosol handle and placing a small amount of pressure on the added push bar to help control the exit cut in a level manner.
We have found that it is very easy to "fall away" as you come out of the timber leaving a downward finish if you don't pay attention. I added a strip of unistrut on the underside of the plate where the upright handle is mounted which makes a big differance when starting and finishing.
The second pic is is also LM and yes it is a nice comfy hold.
 
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