Arborjet

[Tree_Hugger]

I live in Michigan and I'm sure everyone is familiar with the problems we've been experiencing with Emerald Ash Borer. I went to this forum a couple of months ago to diagnose the problem and find a solution, but most people said to spray or cut down the tree. I'm glad I called my arborist because they told me about Arborjet. Has anyone else used it? It was great, I was so worried about spraying because of my dogs and kids, and they actually injected the tree. I was a little hesitant because they had to drill holes but I couldn't even find them when i went to look later. I have a huge ash tree in my back yard i think it's like 150 years old or something and i realllly didn't want any risk of having to cut it down. The system was pricey but they were running a promotion and it's definitely cheaper than if I had to cut down the trees. Anyone who is looking for a better, different solution should definitely look at www.arborjet.com They have a system for do-it-yourselfers, the procap, i ordered it last week and they have a number of products you can inject. I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[NYCHA FORESTER]

A picture of your tree would be swell. 8^)

 

[diltree]

Arbor-Jet

I am completely against high pressure injections.....I feel the high pressure creates unnecessary damage to the xylem, which over any period of time will have an adverse effect on the trees natural uptake of minerals. I feel that if you are going to use micro-injections, the only options are mauget or arbor-tech because they are low pressure and allow the tree to naturally uptake the chemical. Products that use high pressure are for guys that want to be in and out in five minutes and cash in on the injection. Although low pressure injections may take 1-4 hours depending on the species and time of day.....its worth the wait, because people trust in us as arborists to help their tree's

 

[Ekka]

Whilst we tend to get borers in our trees the problem is definately secondary to the trees declining health. I know this may be different over there but what I would like to know is what is the active chemical that kills the borer and in what concentration are you injecting?

Also, we have moved away from stem injections and are finding soil injection or drenching with a less toxic chemical are giving longer term results and less invasive. We favour a product called confidor which is less toxic than others.

Anyway, our problems are different to yours, and increasing the health and vigor of the tree is what we focus on.

Cheers.

 

[AvidGardner]

Diltree-
I live on about 27 acres in New York State and have been treating my trees with arborjet for about 9 months now, and have had excellent results! They actually do have a low pressure system, the Tree IV. I did a lot of investigating ahead of time because i was worried about cost, but the biggest seller for me was the data they have on their website: http://www.arborjet.com/research/ajvsmauget.htm It really knocks out the competition. Arbor-tech wasn't in that study i don't think, but from what i understand that's a macroinfusion technique where they take all of the dirt from around the tree and pump 60 gallons of water mixed with a highly toxic formula into the tree and create massive and destructive wounds. I would not recommend that system.

Ekka-
I prefer to inject because it gets to the problem faster and more effectively, but that's my preference.

 

[TreeJunkie]

For your information macro infusion systems do not create huge invasive wounds. The wounds will be no larger than that of the other methods of injection which you've mentioned.

I would agree to the idea of the chemicals being injected being highly toxic- Particularly Arbotect and if not dilluted properly you will chemically burn the tree.
Anyway not too many others out there which must be used in this manner.

As far as using soil injected options and them being less toxic. I don't know. Merit is probobally the only one i know of to use this way and from all i hear is that it's by far one of the most toxic.

No one mentioned the fact that with application of Mauget you will be injecting extremely potent concentrate levels of the the chemicals. What is this doing to the cambium around the injection site.

I'm routinely injecting for chlorosis w/ a similar system to the tree I.v.- It works great- quick uptake- allows me to dilute solution to allow for a better overall spread throughout the tree. So far i haven't seen much damage to the area surrounding the injection site, be it from pressure or toxicity.

 

[diltree]

I think Tree Hugger and avid Gardner are both salesmen from arbor-jet...they both joined today and have each only left one post....each with links to the arbor-jet webb sight....nice try guy.....but arbor-jet is not truly low pressure, and if mauget was a toxic and harmful injection system UMass Stockbridge school of agriculture wouldn't be teaching the students to use the system to treat a variety of tree care issues.

 

[TreeJunkie]

sure they would- enough funds donated to any school and any just about anything will get the thumbs up.

Think about it- they need to use the same amount of active ingredient as w/ other systems- so how concentrated must it be to all fit in them tiny ass capsules.

In my impression they just cater to the guy who wants super easy app- w/ out any sort of equip.

 

[TreeJunkie]

I do agree about the two definitely being company reps for arbojet. Certainly seems they know their injection products considering just being a homeowner.
And why do they advertise commercial pesticides to homeowners???

 

[diltree]

I think the guy with the pressurized equipment is looking for the easy and quick application, without any concern with how the pressurized application is effecting the xylem of the host tree. Yes a mauget capsule may be more concentrated, but each capsule takes a minimum of an hour for the tree to uptake at its natural rate, sometimes all day. The Capsule isn't shooting it into the tree within five minutes as arbor-jet systems advertise.

 

[diltree]

Well...Mr. Hendrickson...we are on the same page there at least...I respect you opinion, but I am convinced the capsule injections are better for the tree.......in any case, i feel soil application is the over all best way, when possible, I'm not huge on drilling holes in trees, but sometimes the benefits of the injections hugely outweigh all other options

 

[TreeJunkie]

Enough said To each there own.

i do agree w/ soil app being the best method. Too bad it's not alway effective.

 

[AvidGardner]

strange...you're really defensive about your trees! really funny though. It's tragic how jaded people are these days, ironic how an honest person can't endorse a good product, what good is this forum then. i just use the system and am not being paid to say good things about it ...i don't know the other person posting things about arbor-jet or what you are talking about joining the same day?? Anyway, back to what's important, what are tree capsules? Does anyone know where i can find data on them? thanks, and sorry there's no conspiracy theory

 

[TreeJunkie]

Diltree-
, but from what i understand that's a macroinfusion technique where they take all of the dirt from around the tree and pump 60 gallons of water mixed with a highly toxic formula into the tree and create massive and destructive wounds. I would not recommend that system.

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Mr/Mrs. Gardner:

Where do you come up w/ this sort of claim. I know many arborists who routinely use this method to treat for dutch elm w/ Arbotect. None of which would support your above mentioned theory. I doubt Rainbow would agree w/ you claim either.

Your 1st post ever came across as a well thought out selling point for Arb's products?

Might i ask why you are treating an entire 27 acres of trees?

 

[Ekka]

Well, I'm none the wiser to know what's in arborjet.

So, the trees injected to kill borers, amongst other things, with what chemical?

I went to their website and it didn't say. Does anyone know? They have to by law disclose what the chemiclas are and in what concentration etc.

 

[diltree]

Yeah ok "AvidGardner" or " Tree Hugger"...........First homeowners i have ever encountered, versed in micro-injection and macroinfusion. Never the less, pitch your product, its nice to see you are enjoying this sight....maybe you will leave a third post????? Most homeowners come here to get an arborists advice, not advise us on what to do...I think thats rather Ironic; but thanks for the sound advice!!!!

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Well, I'm none the wiser to know what's in arborjet.

So, the trees injected to kill borers, amongst other things, with what chemical?

I went to their website and it didn't say. Does anyone know? They have to by law disclose what the chemiclas are and in what concentration etc.

http://www.arborjet.com/products/injectables.htm

Ekka, the arborjet is a device that injects different chemicals in relatively low doses at relatively high pressure.
You punch a hole in the trunk, insert a rubber seal, then stick the applicator needle into he rubber seal and pump the stuff in.
My opinion is trunk injury is a very bad thing, only to be done in life or death situations for the tree, and even then, only if other methods won't work.
Trunk injections with concentrated chemicals have the added disadvantage of the possibility of chemical burns at the injection point, which of course makes the injury even bigger.
Macro infusion has distinct advantages. It's injected into the roots, it is a very dilute solution, and you get much better coverage because of lower injection points and larger volume. Also, root tissue is shown to compartmentalize injection injuries much better and faster, as well as disperse the product better.
Trunk tissue is very linear, and the arborjet is very thin. If you stand there and inject at 4 feet high, you get thin streaks of chemicals running up the tree. Aren't there any borers at two and three feet? What about between the injection points?

From a strictly commercial standpoint, being able to walk up and do a treatment with a pocket full of tools in just a few minutes, has advantages. So in that respect, the Arborjet is attractive. Any long term damage from the injections can just be blamed on the borers.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Just so you know Tree Hugger and Avid Gardener, you come off as salesmen for the product.
You would gain a lot more respect if you identified yourself as such and let us know about your product. Nobody likes games played by salesmen to push something. Let the merits of the product push itself.

 

[spacemule]

What are you talking about? Can't an honest guy give an honest product report with no spin?

Do you suffer from ingrown toenails? Does your landscape look more like a landfill? Do you stay up nights wondering how to eradicate those pesky emerald ash borers without busting your ira or spending your kid's college fund? Don't you wish there was a product that would take care of all these ailments and more? Wll wish no more fungus killers! There is a product. www.arborjet.com I was amazed when I first tried it. I admit, I was highly skeptical and feared my dog would get rabies after drinking some of it, but he didn't--he now has an iq of 145 and his crap smells good to boot! He woke me up this morning with a 7 course breakfast and gloating "That arborjets the shiznitz!" I no longer have to worry about finding beer money. I just go outside and folks come by throwing money at me for having such a beautiful tree since I treated it with arborjet. Remember folks, thats "arborjet." Don't delay call today--your dog will thank you.

 

[Ekka]

Thanks Mike

So the product is an application method and the user selects the treatment/chemicals.

In your experience with borers Mike, what do you use to kill them? They are pretty big and tough.

I thought in pines etc that you couldn't kill them.