Ash rotten inside

[Norwegian Wood]

Hi

I often see in my area that many ashes is rotten inside, could this have anything too do with clay in the ground?
As the roots in the Ash is groving further in too the ground and reaching clay can this make the Ash rotten from the inside?

:greenchainsaw:

 

[S Mc]

Do you know what species of ash you have? Some ash are actually suited to heavy soils and poorly drained sites with clay or silty clay loam rich in humus. This according to Dirr's Manual of Woody Landscape Plants. However, some ash are also prone to heart rot as they mature. So this defect that you are seeing may be incidental to rather than because of the clay soil.

Sylvia

 

[Norwegian Wood]

Populus tremula I think only looked it up in the dictionary, don't cut so much Ash because it's only usable for cheap firewood

 

[S Mc]

This is an excellent illustration as to why botanical names are important. Could you post a picture of the tree you are talking about? A Populus tremula is the Swedish Aspen in the poplar family. Not particularly good wood (as you noted) but is reportedly more resistant to the many cankers, wetwood, heart rot, borers and other problems that afflict that family of trees.

What we call an ash (here in the U.S.) is in another family and is a good solid hardwood and would make excellent firewood. So evidently what you refer to as ash and what I am used to referring as an ash are different.

Are the trees in which you see heart rot in their natural forest stands? I still think that the problem is more incidental to rather than because of the clay. Pathogens take advantage of stressed trees and situations so if your area has been experiencing unusual climatic problems a pathogen could become more prevalent.

Can you see any external signs of a problem? Or do you see this only once you cut the tree down? How much good wood is still there? I would be interested to see pictures of a standing tree and then one where you have observed this.

Thanks.

Sylvia

 

[Norwegian Wood]

http://www.ostensjovannet.no/biologi/planter/fakta/osp_close.jpg
http://www.toyen.uio.no/botanisk/nbf/nettflora/osp_blad_400.jpg

I'm offshore in the North Sea so this was some of the pitcures I found by searching google.
Up too 2/3 of the inside is rotten and the tree looks fine from the outside a bit dangerous to fell because it's weak.

Exuse my bad wrighting I'm Norwegianopcorn:

 

[S Mc]

The only thing I am coming up with that would compromise the interior of the tree to that extent without any visual external signs would be wetwood which is prevalent in the poplar species. This is a condition where the heartwood has a higher moisture content than normal and can be bacterial in nature. This can also cause the tree to experience ring shakes which cause a separation along growth rings.

The poplars are also susceptible to many cankers but they would show from the outside.

And by the way, your English is WAY better than my Norwegian!

Sylvia

 

[Norwegian Wood]

The only thing I am coming up with that would compromise the interior of the tree to that extent without any visual external signs would be wetwood which is prevalent in the poplar species. This is a condition where the heartwood has a higher moisture content than normal and can be bacterial in nature. This can also cause the tree to experience ring shakes which cause a separation along growth rings.

The poplars are also susceptible to many cankers but they would show from the outside.

And by the way, your English is WAY better than my Norwegian!

Sylvia

He he

You seem too know alot about trees, If I remember I can take some pitcures of the roots when I coming onshore again

 

[S Mc]

:If I remember I can take some pitcures of the roots when I coming onshore again

Will look forward to them.

Sylvia

 

[Norwayclimber]

This is an excellent illustration as to why botanical names are important. Could you post a picture of the tree you are talking about? A Populus tremula is the Swedish Aspen in the poplar family. Not particularly good wood (as you noted) but is reportedly more resistant to the many cankers, wetwood, heart rot, borers and other problems that afflict that family of trees.

What we call an ash (here in the U.S.) is in another family and is a good solid hardwood and would make excellent firewood. So evidently what you refer to as ash and what I am used to referring as an ash are different.

Sylvia

Think the use of Ash from the threadstarter just came as a mistake while translating. We have a lot of ash in Norway "Faxinus Excelsior" which is an excellent hardwood.

But there is often some missunderstandings between ash (called "ask" in norwegian) and the Swedish Aspen (called "osp" in norwegian). I often have custommers call and the me the have an "asp" that needs to be taken down

 

[Norwegian Wood]

Think the use of Ash from the threadstarter just came as a mistake while translating. We have a lot of ash in Norway "Faxinus Excelsior" which is an excellent hardwood.

But there is often some missunderstandings between ash (called "ask" in norwegian) and the Swedish Aspen (called "osp" in norwegian). I often have custommers call and the me the have an "asp" that needs to be taken down

It's the Swedish Aspen (OSP) I mean, sorry for the misleading translation:monkey:

 

[S Mc]

No problem at all on the translation issues. As I said, I don't speak Norwegian at all.

Many people wonder why we have to know botanical names to our trees and this is exactly why...so we can be sure we are talking about the same kind of tree no matter where we are from.

I enjoy learning about what other people are experiencing in their part of the world so will look forward to increasing my education through your pictures.

Norwayclimber, I went on your website. Very impressive; very nicely done. A beautiful insite into your country and the trees there.

Sylvia

 

[Norwayclimber]

Thanks, but the website isnt really mine. It just came along with the company i took over this summer. The former owner is planing on going sailing around the world, so he sold out.

The website is good, but the pics are a bit old, so I'll have to do something about it in the future, but I'm in no hurry

 

[Norwegian Wood]

Here's some photo's that I've promised you

The first root photo's I cut down this years spring the last root is a couple of years old, when we started building the cabin.
BTW I've seen some photos from Canada and it almost looks the same as this LOL
The photos was taken earlier today when I was in my fathers cabin after I've hunted some deers

 

[Norwegian Wood]

HEY:censored:

the photos where a bit small but they're listed at the photobucket.com shall I give you the link S Mc?