Asking too much for chain packaging to tell the sizes?

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Just "organized" my collection of chains. Can't hardly believe how many older packages neglect to tell such important things.
1) Number of drive links
2) .043 vs .050 vs .058 vs .063
3) .325 or .375/ 3/8" or .404

So far that is what I have needed to know. I've got a dozen chains that I have no clear idea what saw and bar they were made for.
 
Just "organized" my collection of chains. Can't hardly believe how many older packages neglect to tell such important things.
1) Number of drive links
2) .043 vs .050 vs .058 vs .063
3) .325 or .375/ 3/8" or .404

So far that is what I have needed to know. I've got a dozen chains that I have no clear idea what saw and bar they were made for.
Just measure between 3 pins on chain and divide by 2. That's your pitch. Calipers will give you gauge.
 
Lol...people bring me buckets of chains and ask for new versions of each chain, i can tell pitch at a glance....404/.375/.325/3/8lp, and gauge is easy enough with calipers, then count links and hang it on a nail..mark it down on my list. Its not a huge deal and thats doing dozens of chains at a time. Its nice when the chain is new and in a box and its marked..but

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This is a handy dandy little tool.
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Sure - and I can count the drive links too. Which brings me back to:

Asking too much for chain packaging to tell the sizes?

I mean - why not?

Yes, it was too much. Obviously it was a long play to aggravate you.
Well played on the part of chainsaw chain retailers. True troll vision on their part.
 
All off the shelf chain I buy are marked as to the number of drive links of the chain in the box. The packaging with all the saws listed on them are mostly crap chain made for those who know nothing about chain, soft metal safety over rated near useless for serious cutting. Custom made lengths made off the roll will not be factory packaged so its up to those making up the loops to note the DL count.
 
Drive Link
Marking
Tooth Link
Marking
Brand Gauge Pitch
11Stihl.043″1/4″
13Stihl.050″1/4″
32Stihl.050″.325″
52Stihl.058″.325″
62Stihl.063″.325″
33Stihl.050″3/8″
53Stihl.058″3/8″
63Stihl.063″3/8″
16Stihl.043″3/8″ Low Profile
36Stihl.050″3/8″ Low Profile
34Stihl.050″.404″
54Stihl.058″.404″
64Stihl.063″.404″



Chain MarkingBrandGaugePitch
A1Carlton.050″3/8″
A2Carlton.058″3/8″
A3Carlton.063″3/8″
B1Carlton.050″.404″
B2Carlton.058″.404″
B3Carlton.063″.404″
E1Carlton.050″1/4″
K1Carlton.050″.325″
K2Carlton.058″.325″
K3Carlton.063″.325″
N1CCarlton.050″3/8″ Low Profile
N4Carlton.043″3/8″ Low Profile
H21Husqvarna.058″.325″
H22Husqvarna.050″.325″
H23Husqvarna.050″.325″
H25Husqvarna.058″.325″
H26Husqvarna.063″.325″
H30Husqvarna.050″.325″
H35Husqvarna.050″3/8″ Low Profile
H36Husqvarna.050″3/8″ Low Profile
H42Husqvarna.058″3/8″
H45Husqvarna.063″3/8″
H46Husqvarna.063″3/8″
H47Husqvarna.063″3/8″
H57Husqvarna.063″.404″
H58Husqvarna.058″3/8″
H64Husqvarna.063″.404″
H80Husqvarna.050″3/8″
H82Husqvarna.050″3/8″
H83Husqvarna.050″3/8″ Low Profile
16Oregon.063″.404″
18Oregon.080″.404″
20Oregon.050″.325″
22Oregon.063″.325″
25Oregon.050″1/4″
26Oregon.058″.404″
27Oregon.063″.404″
28Oregon.050″.404″
33Oregon.050″.325″
34Oregon.058″.325″
35Oregon.063″.325″
50Oregon.050″.404″
51Oregon.058″.404″
52Oregon.063″.404″
58Oregon.058″.404″
59Oregon.063″.404″
68Oregon.063″.404″
72Oregon.050″3/8″
73Oregon.058″3/8″
75Oregon.063″3/8″
90Oregon.043″3/8″ Low Profile
91Oregon.050″3/8″ Low Profile



This may help. But you still have to count drive links.
 
Can't hardly believe how many older packages neglect to tell such important things.
Most chains will have that information (pitch, gauge, DL count) somewhere on the package, although not always easy to find. I agree that many could do a better job.
'Consumer' packages tend to be 'dumbed down' a little, because all that information can confuse some people.

For example, Oregon uses a Letter / Number system to simplify things for folks who only buy a limited amount of chain.
S56 is easier for most people to remember that the pitch, gauge, and drive link count. But if you know that 'S' means '3/8, low profile, 0.050 gauge' chain, then you know that 'S56' is 56 drive links of that.
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Each company also uses stamped (but different) codes to identify their chains. A few charts are attached. I use these for reference.

So far that is what I have needed to know. I've got a dozen chains that I have no clear idea what saw and bar they were made for.

Sometimes, you get a non-standard, or other brand chain, where you have to identify using calipers, etc. This is where a little knowledge helps.
Sure - and I can count the drive links too.

Yes. Often. Sometimes they will be different by a single drive link, and that means it will not fit some bar / saw /sprocket combinations.

This is a handy dandy little tool.

I use mine all the time. I also like the Granberg version.
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But does it tell if it's 3/8" or 38" lopro/picco?
No. Some knowledge is still required. Also does not tell you if it it if full-chisel, semi-chisel, low kickback, skip, sharp, etc.

A bunch of blank boxes come with a roll of bulk chain.
This is the bigger problem that I have: boxes that are marked wrong. I can learn to interpret the manufacturers' codes and markings, but can't stop people from putting the chains back in the 'wrong', different, un-marked, or mis-marked boxes. We have a store here that resells returned goods from some of the home centers. Almost every saw chain is in the wrong box (or it is used and returned as new!). I have a large number of chains which I try to keep sorted, once ID'd, and loops for individual saws that I keep in marked, zip-lock bags.

So, back to the OP:
- Yes, manufacturers should do a better job of clearly marking their chains.
- Knowing how to do this on your own is very important: it becomes pretty quick and easy to do.
- Keep one of those measuring gauges, and / or a caliper to ID chains (and measure wear).
- Figure out your own system for marking them, and keeping them sorted.

Philbert
 

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I find that most guys working at the Stihl dealerships couldn't tell you what a loop of Stihl chain is, if they had it in their hand.
I had a counter person at an ECHO dealer ask, 'What's THAT?' once when I brought in a rim sprocket to replace.

Philbert
 
I find that most guys working at the Stihl dealerships couldn't tell you what a loop of Stihl chain is, if they had it in their hand.

I was at a multi-brand saw dealer and asked about milling chains. They replied they had some and make loops from a roll.

When I asked to see some it was 3/8 0.050 crosscut chain filed at ~ 30 degrees. I pointed this out. They assured me it was milling chain, then I asked to see a loop of stihl 33RM. When asked why the top angles were ~ the same they realized they were selling milling chain loops that were in fact crosscut chain.

It gets worse when you actually bring in part numbers. Sometimes the IPLs are old and a number has been updated/replaced. Sometimes you are dealing with a sheep who does not have a border collie handy.
 
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