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I run a 3 year old Vermeer 252 stump grinder. It has always occationaly back fired on me. Over the last few months it's got worse so much so that I flinch now every time I turn her over. I do let the engine settle for a couple of min's on low rev's before turning her off. I'v looked at the sparks and they seem to be ok. Any idea's before I kill off a customer with a weak heart, and that's before they have paid me:cry:
 
Well, an engine backfires because it has unburned OR excessive fuel and air in the combustion chamber. I would guess initially that you had bad spark plugs but you have mentioned they have been checked so I'll rule that out. A medicore spark plug wire could be to blame too. I would guess though seeming how the spark isnt the problem that when you shut it off that fuel continues to go into the chamber and that perhaps the machine is running ab it hot and the fuel is combusting from the hot engine. Tried letting it idle for a couple minutes to cool down before turning it off. Might not solve you problem but it might lessened how loud the backfire is when it goes off.

Try this, next time the engine is cool, turn it on, let it run for 30 seconds then shut it off. If it still backfires, it wont be cause the engine is running too hot since it wont have had time to heat up all the way yet. Just a thought.

We had a vermeer when I worked for another company. If I recall it too backfired alot. We just laughed and I'll be honest, I never bothered to look for the problem since I was underpaid. He owner didnt care about his equipment as long we could make him money and that they still worked good enough to get the job done. Preventitive maintnance happened when something already broke down. And by underpaid, I mean I was promised one thing and given another. In the end he lost alot more than the differencei n the wages promised I can assure you. It happens when you screw the estimater.
 
Yer I've let the engine idle for a while and makes no difference. Even though the sparks are grey looking do you think it's worth changing the lot. These are the original plug's it's done 706 hours.
 
Try switching the engine off when the throttle is between full and half way.
Kohler engines are fairly bad for this, also make sure your oil cap and oil dipstick are tight/well sealed.
 
pop the valve covers off and check for bent pushrod. I replaced several on stump machines...

Id also do a leakdown test on it...
 
Had the very same problem on my old 252,REDEX solved the problem instantly[use redex in the spark plug holes and in your feul] ,go get some redex follow the instructions bingo problem solved ..
 
Vermeer 252

I run a pair of 252 cutters. They have the same problems. In my case the backfiring is caused by a leak in the exhaust manifold. This is common on kohler engines. I have to periodically take off the exhaust and place some exhaust cement between the engine manifold and exhaust. This works for a while but its one of those quirks we get used to. you may also find the bolts have either worked loose or sheered off (both of these happened to me on new engines). You are also using UK petrol which is higher in octane than its American counterpart. This has the knock-on effect of effectively advancing the ignition timing, thus causing backfire. Unfortunately there is no cure for this as the timing cannot be adjusted. Hope this is of some use.
 
Thank's for the info Mr Stumpy. The exhausts on the Vermeer's are a bit questionable any how. I'v lost count the amount of times I have welded the bracket back. Now running a 352 along side it and very impressed.
 
two things to check for are timing and fully closing throttle plate.

if it's got a magnito, check alignment of flywheel to crank. if it's got a distributor, checking timing by timing marks and/or timing light.

a plugged mid-range or idle jet can be compensated by opening throttle plate. when you shut off spark, engine can continue to pull in fuel. glowing carbon can set off late mixture.
 
my 252

My 252 almost always backfires on turn-off and occasionally when the engine is warm it occasionally lets off an even bigger bang when starting, I havent changed spark plugs yet in almost 400 hours, but I should probably check the exhaust manifolds and plugs to see if there is a problem there. thanks for the ideas
 

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