bad one

[ropensaddle]

I wish I had picture capability but will try to explain.
I started on a large red oak that has about fifty percent
left of its dia, hollow and rotted ten foot up on the tension
side of the tree. I was able to get my sixty foot bucket to
the tree and took off the limbs I could reach and could rope
the rest of the top except am afraid the base would not take
the violent shake of the limbs being roped as the limbs are still
15 inch dia and 30 feet long at sixty feet! This tree leans twenty
degree toward and over house and maybe a few years back I
would have climbed up and took out small but base is beyond
bad it is only sapwood left and only compression wood at that!
I am thinking of binding trunk putting my twenty ton winch on it
pulling it tight and let her rip!!! The opening is twenty inches and
goes up the tree ten foot so I would have to climb up there to
place an effective notch and I don't like the idea of being in that
position on this tree. The opening is also in the worst place it can
be to notch at base would leave no holding wood I have cut a lot
of bad ones but I hate this tree too much against you and I hate
to rip trees but don't see many solutions and I at least know the
winch will pull it but barber chair emanate and if it goes to the side
monkey puzzle gets it! I am cutting tomorrow and will probably
pray a lot tonight, any ideas ?

 

[kennertree]

If you can get a bucket to it, then could you get a crane to it? Tie in to the ball on the crane and go up and piece it out. Try to get a pic of it if ya can.

 

[ropensaddle]

If you can get a bucket to it, then could you get a crane to it? Tie in to the ball on the crane and go up and piece it out. Try to get a pic of it if ya can.

Hey the problem with that that would end up costing me to cut
this tree they wont pay here like other places in the country. I
bid thinking bucket would reach high enough to take out a little
smaller pieces tree is taller than I first thought bid 1250. cleaned
up and stump ground,that is high here they would just get illegals
to do work if bid at 3000 it is really worth!!! I have heard trees pay
very well in your neck of the wood but not here!!!

 

[Treetom]

Do what you have to do to get the job done right, and safe. Like the man said, if you can get a bucket in, you can get a crane in. Or both. As you probably know/suspect, hollow trees like the one you've described don't respond to cable tension like a solid tree would. Financially speaking, we sometimes just have to take a hit and move on to the next job, while keeping our reputation intact. From my experience, I run into similar situations to yours once or twice a year, which require renting an 80' or 120' manlift. After a couple losses, I've learned to include the rental price up front as part of the removal cost. If the low-ballers can do it cheaper, let them have at it. You've described a difficult and dangerous tree. Perhaps your client will at least split the cost for a lift or crane rental. A pic would be nice. Cell phone pic? Be safe.

 

[Justice]

I have to agree with renting a higher bucket or crane. Maybe you can make adeal with a fellow arborist in your area to trade some work if there is one with a higher lift.

I do have a question though, just to understand, are you attempting to drop the whole tree (what is left) by pulling it over with your winch? I have done lots of these but want to confirm the information.

 

[ropensaddle]

I have to agree with renting a higher bucket or crane. Maybe you can make adeal with a fellow arborist in your area to trade some work if there is one with a higher lift.

I do have a question though, just to understand, are you attempting to drop the whole tree (what is left) by pulling it over with your winch? I have done lots of these but want to confirm the information.

Yes I plan to drop the whole thing , plan to tighten cable until
tree moves a hair then cut and when starts to move gas winch!!!
I may stiffen up with ropes and try to get a little more off first
It just doesn't have no meat in the right spots and will want to
twist I am doing it in the mourning and need the money but darn
why do they always come my way? Across the street some illegals
are raising limbs they get all the gravy because they are so cheap.

 

[kennertree]

Can't you cut it in a higher spot where there is good wood to hold the hinge? Or did i miss something. Its see what it is without any pics.

 

[ropensaddle]

I don't have a memory card for video cam and don't
know how to send a pic. Yes I mentioned climbing above
the opening but it is hollow to the top and do not feel
like being bucked in to the tree; as will be using bucket winch
for pull with no tree to put snatch block in the place I need
a major pull!!! I will let you know how it went tomorrow

 

[clearance]

I don't have a memory card for video cam and don't
know how to send a pic. Yes I mentioned climbing above
the opening but it is hollow to the top and do not feel
like being bucked in to the tree; as will be using bucket winch
for pull with no tree to put snatch block in the place I need
a major pull!!! I will let you know how it went tomorrow

Do what you gotta do, put some guylines on either side of the winch line, know what I mean?

 

[ropensaddle]

Do what you gotta do, put some guylines on either side of the winch line, know what I mean?

That was the plan but limited anchors was going to pull a little back
on the off lean side to make it swing away from monkey tree and try
to anchor as well!!! I will take all the steps I can but I wish I knew how
to do pics.

 

[ropensaddle]

Do what you have to do to get the job done right, and safe. Like the man said, if you can get a bucket in, you can get a crane in. Or both. As you probably know/suspect, hollow trees like the one you've described don't respond to cable tension like a solid tree would. Financially speaking, we sometimes just have to take a hit and move on to the next job, while keeping our reputation intact. From my experience, I run into similar situations to yours once or twice a year, which require renting an 80' or 120' manlift. After a couple losses, I've learned to include the rental price up front as part of the removal cost. If the low-ballers can do it cheaper, let them have at it. You've described a difficult and dangerous tree. Perhaps your client will at least split the cost for a lift or crane rental. A pic would be nice. Cell phone pic? Be safe.

If I let the low ballers get the work I would go broke you are not getting it the easy work goes to cheap illegal labor, and my phone does not ring off the hook!!!! I have tried what you are saying
got no work accept referrals this is not a good paying state!!!!

 

[hornett22]

i'd get it done and get it done safely.

you'r reputation depends on it.i have hired another tree comapny to help me in the past.even if you lose money on the job,you finished it and kept your end of the deal,and that says alot.not to mention working with another company would make you both look good not to mention the industry as a whole in your area.

good luck and be safe.

 

[ropensaddle]

I'm going there this mourning it will be done safe
my reputation is what got me this tree as it is known that
I am the one that is capable.

 

[ropensaddle]

Shoooo; tree down got pics and I will post when I
figure out how but I took a little more off binded and fell!!!
The binder prevented the trunk from exploding as it was
trying to do! Everything went smooth and just in time the
winds where howling as I was getting truck set and storm
was approaching but down now and cleanup tomorrow.
I thank everyone the crane would have been great and
had thought about it, but I knew I could make do just
spooked first day and sometimes better to get away and
think about it!!!!!!

 

[clearance]

Great. On the ground, all over.

 

[Treetom]

Another one bites the dust. Looking forward to the pics.