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The guy I am referring to is up near Seattle; I used to live in Seattle before coming down to the Gorge in 1999. Going way back, I worked for a tree service out of Sherwood OR in 1987, when I first moved to the west coast --- I'm originally from CT. That company, though, was a bit screwed up, even though it was run by a retired logger; he put no effort into training and safety gear, leading to high turnover in the crew. I was an old timer when I quit after a year.