My computer is acting kinda whacky and I allready started this thread in the chainsaw forum, so please check it out there. I'm going to a big annual farm/equipment auction tomorrow. There are many old saws, that's why I started there. Out in one of the fields are a bunch of old machine shop tools. There is a big metal band saw that has to be 6 or 7 feet tall, the throat is about 3 feet by 12 to 16 inches high, metal lathes, press's. Just a bunch of really cool cast iron tools. I'll take pics at the sale and post them when I get home tomorrow, Joe.