bull ropes

[kf_tree]

it seems most guys here have been useing sampson stable braid for years now, myself included.
has anyone tried the Yale Maxijacket? i need to replace some ropes this spring and was thinking about giveing them a try.

 

[jmack]

rope

it seems most guys here have been useing sampson stable braid for years now, myself included.
has anyone tried the Yale Maxijacket? i need to replace some ropes this spring and was thinking about giveing them a try.

i use yale, excellent rope however when i shopped they were just a little more money and a little less on the on the swl that samson

 

[KentuckySawyer]

I use a rope called "Power Braid" from Kuemmerling. Its cheaper than Stable Braid with a higher safe working load. I'm not sure who makes this rope, but its good stuff.

 

[okietreedude1]

i use yale, excellent rope however when i shopped they were just a little more money and a little less on the on the swl that samson

To be specific on working load comparison:

1/2" Samson 10,400 vs Yale 10,500
5/8" samson 16,300 vs Yale 16,800
3/4" samson 20,400 vs Yale 20,000
7/8" Samson 29,900 vs Yale 31,000
1" Samson 39,200 vs Yale 44,000

These are all very close and probably not far enough apart to get excited about.

 

[skwerl]

Okie, have those numbers changed in the last few years? I could have sworn that the comparison charts I saw in a couple older Sherrill catalogs showed the Yale rope as being not as strong.

In fact, I just found it. 2002 catalog shows Yale Super-Braid Plus as
1/2" - 8,900# tensile
5/8" - 14,000# tensile
3/4" - 17,600# tensile

I'm not certain but I don't think Sherrill carries Yale any more, I never considered it after trying the Samson.

 

[Lumberjack]

Okie, have those numbers changed in the last few years? I could have sworn that the comparison charts I saw in a couple older Sherrill catalogs showed the Yale rope as being not as strong.

In fact, I just found it. 2002 catalog shows Yale Super-Braid Plus as
1/2" - 8,900# tensile
5/8" - 14,000# tensile
3/4" - 17,600# tensile

I'm not certain but I don't think Sherrill carries Yale any more, I never considered it after trying the Samson.

Super Braid is made by Wall, its weaker due to a tighter weave of the cover. I no longer use Super braid as I found its breaking strength is lower in a bowline to bowline with Safety pro 12. For half inch I use mainly safety blue, I have some 1/2" stable braid coming in tuesday I believe. For anything bigger than 1/2" I use stable braid. For lifting with the GRCS I have Samson Warpspeed 1/2" being held waiting to be shipped to Nick for splicing.

Who makes Blaze? Sherrill carries products from the big three and Wall rope.

 

[skwerl]

Wow, you're right. I must be due for reading glasses or something. I was mistaken, please ignore my earlier post. Thanks for clarifying Carl.
:blush:

 

[Lumberjack]

Wow, you're right. I must be due for reading glasses or something. I was mistaken, please ignore my earlier post. Thanks for clarifying Carl.
:blush:

No sweat

 

[okietreedude1]

Who makes Blaze?

Blaze is Yale Cordage.

As for breaking strengths I gave, I referenced the web sites of Yale Cordage and Samson Rope. Unless their websites are wrong/outdated, thats the current numbers. Acording to the Wall flier I have dated 2000, their double braid is 1/2-9.9k, 5/8-15.6k, 3/4-19.6k.

There is also another rope co. out there selling a 'Husky' line. Its from All Gear. The strength numbers are higher (5/8-18k, 3/4-23k, 7/8-32k) but I havent had any feedback on it.

 

[Lumberjack]

Blaze is Yale Cordage.

There is also another rope co. out there selling a 'Husky' line. Its from All Gear. The strength numbers are higher (5/8-18k, 3/4-23k, 7/8-32k) but I havent had any feedback on it.

I was largely making a point David, I know Yale makes Blaze, as well as beeline. I am really likeing the beeline I bought from you in Nash. I bought 75' and still havent worn out the first 4'. I am really liking it.

I have seen the husky lines, I havent heard anything about them either.

 

[jmack]

gee!

To be specific on working load comparison:

1/2" Samson 10,400 vs Yale 10,500
5/8" samson 16,300 vs Yale 16,800
3/4" samson 20,400 vs Yale 20,000
7/8" Samson 29,900 vs Yale 31,000
1" Samson 39,200 vs Yale 44,000

These are all very close and probably not far enough apart to get excited about.

my vendor quoted me the other way saying samson was stronger. always did like yale. guess he read what he wanted to according to what he carried, pesky vendor

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

I don't get too excited about breaking strength. For me, the hand of the rope (subtleness) is more of a factor. To test this you need to do a hands on feel test. Kind of like testing a woman. Are you going to just read about her and decide if she's good in bed?
You can read specifications all day, until you get out and use it, you won't know.

 

[Stumper]

Mike, I'm not sure how to say this in a subtle fashion.-The word you were looking for is suppleness. Who would want understated or sneaky rope? Bring on the rope with a nice flexible hand.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Yes, thanks for the correction.
The same is true for climbing ropes. I often hear guys talking about breaking strength and using that information to make a decision on what rope to buy. What really matters is how the rope feels.
What is also interesting is two similar ropes can have different strengths based solely on how tight the rope is weaved. If you have ever seen the machines that braid rope, you can understand that how a rope comes out is not just what it's made of or the type of braid, it's also a few little adjustments on the machine.
So a few hundred pounds, plus or minus, should have little to do with rope selection.

 

[NickfromWI]

i use yale, excellent rope however when i shopped they were just a little more money and a little less on the on the swl that samson

The yale ropes cost more for 2 reasons:

The polyester fiber is made and supplied by Honeywell. They are an American company. But besides that, it's a higher quality, longer laster polyester fiber compared to other imported fibers.

You can easily get higher strength out of a rope by making the braid just a hair less tight. This looks good to the customer when they are buying ropes and comparing them in the store, but the tighter woven (Yale) ropes will last longer and retain their breaking strength longer than the Samson rope.

FWIW, Maxijacket is the coating Yale puts on their ropes. Their bull ropes are called Yale Double Esterlon.

love
nick

 

[046]

I use Yale

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

The yale ropes cost more for 2 reasons:

The polyester fiber is made and supplied by Honeywell. They are an American company. But besides that, it's a higher quality, longer laster polyester fiber compared to other imported fibers.

You can easily get higher strength out of a rope by making the braid just a hair less tight. This looks good to the customer when they are buying ropes and comparing them in the store, but the tighter woven (Yale) ropes will last longer and retain their breaking strength longer than the Samson rope.

FWIW, Maxijacket is the coating Yale puts on their ropes. Their bull ropes are called Yale Double Esterlon.

love
nick

I'm not sure how to respond to this highly biased post, other than to ask, what the fu%k?
All Yale ropes last longer and are stronger? That's so stupid.
American made? Yeah, like fords are better than toyota's and honda's? Hahaha!

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

I use Yale

Is that good or bad? What is the point? Did you choose Yale, or was it on sale?
Yale makes some good ropes, for sure. So does Samson, and New England, and others...

 

[Lumberjack]

I would hope good Mike.


Kinda like the Geico(spelling) commercial that bosts a 97% customer satisfaction rate. If 3 percent of the customers aint satisfied then why are they sticking around?

 

[NickfromWI]

I'm not sure how to respond to this highly biased post, other than to ask, what the fu%k?
All Yale ropes last longer and are stronger? That's so stupid.
American made? Yeah, like fords are better than toyota's and honda's? Hahaha!

Not biased, Mike. Yes, I like Yale better, but it's not a blind love. Take the ropes apart. Get the numbers from the manufacturers. In that post I'm not saying, "Yale is better than Samson." I'm simply trying to point out that when it comes to judging ropes, strength shouldn't be be all and end all factor on what rope to get.

About the "American" comment. I did not say, "it is american, so it is better." I point out that they Honeywell is an American company only because there are some people to whom this is important. Then I went on to say that the Honeywell fibers are better than what is currently being imported. If you made the honeywell fibers in China, and made other fibers here, I'd still say get the honeywell....because they are better.

So first chill, then call Samson and ask them where they get their fibers for the above mentioned ropes, then do the same to Yale. Ask each of them why. That's the most important part....why. Then ask what they do with it once they turn it in to usable rope. You'll find out why, in this instance, the Yale is better.

love
nick