carb adjustments on MS 280?

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dadouthat

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I have a pretty new MS 280. Saw is a good size firewood saw for this area (Interior Alaska) and I am happy with the choice. It has developed an annoying problem that persists despite a visit to the shop. I am not a novice with saws (have used a bunch, mostly Stihls) but am not much of a mechanic and have not run into this problem before.

The problem is that having adjusted the carb for acceleration and idle speeds, after making a few cuts and warming up, the saw hesitates when I hit the trigger. Then I open the low speed jet a little to get smooth and quick acceleration. Idle speed now too fast as expected. Reduce idle speed appropriately and after a cut or two, saw dies when I hit the trigger. Start over again with adjustments and most of the time it then works as desired but still dies sometimes when I hit the trigger.

Never had this kind of problem before. I have run several tanks thru the saw and shop says nothing wrong and just not broken in yet. I don't believe that is the problem. Shop says says adujstment was a little lean when they checked it and I forgot to ask but I don't think they did any cuts to mimic the problem that I encounter.

Am also using an old 025, a brand new 180 (a gem for the trail and the boat), and before the 280 had an 064. No such problem with these. (I had used the 064 for a milling project long ago and hoped to use it for bucking up firewood. No decompression release and trying to start it when it was cold out damned near wrecked my arthritic hands. But it sold quickly!)

Most of the use this year has been in cold weather. This area is still in a prolonged cold snap (-30 F last night) and use of the saw has usually been at -20 F or colder. Saw is kept inside while not in use, air filter is clean, fuel is fresh, mix oil is Stihl, replaced sparkplug, and incantations are appropriate.

Suggestions and advice would be much appreciated! :help:

Also, is it true that neither a 361 nor a 5100 has ever had such a problem? ;)
 
The problem is that having adjusted the carb for acceleration and idle speeds, after making a few cuts and warming up, the saw hesitates when I hit the trigger. Then I open the low speed jet a little to get smooth and quick acceleration. Idle speed now too fast as expected. Reduce idle speed appropriately and after a cut or two, saw dies when I hit the trigger. Start over again with adjustments and most of the time it then works as desired but still dies sometimes when I hit the trigger.



This is not correct... you have the saw WAY to lean on the L needle if your saw speeds up at idle when you open the L screw....

The low speed adjustment is a balance between L and LA.

Find the best idle (smoothest, NOT fastest) positon with the L screw, then turn it about 1/8 to 1/4 turn RICHER (out), the saw will slow down. If too fast or two slow, adjust the LA screw to compensate - set the LA so the chain just stops moving. If you are unsure at all, take it to your dealer...
 
Lakeside,

Thanks for your advice and instructions. Unfortunatlely, I didn't state correctly what I had actually done previously. I had in fact followed the right procedure. Had hit all the other bases like winter/summer shutter, clean and fresh gas, etc. Would never have messed with the adjustments if I hadn't had to.

I have rarely had to even do any adjustments on any saw and when I have had to it was absolutely no problem. It was usually set and forget "forever".

After a lot of starting from scratch on the adjustments and re-reading the manual (I am getting to that age!) yet again, I did take the saw to my dealer. I had done that before posting my plea for help. He commented that it was fine, that I had it a little lean. Went home with the dealer adjusted saw, started it up, sounded and ran fine, made a couple of cuts, and there I was, back where I started with the same pattern of erratic behavior before and after cuts. To make sure that I wasn't completely brain dead, started the adjustments for the 025 from scratch. No problem with adjusting the 025 and behavior of course remained stable when cutting.

It is hard to explain exactly what happens and I don't want to flog the question here since I have so much trouble describing it completely. I really don't think it is an adjustment problem. I'll take it to the dealer once again and insist that he actually make a few cuts before deciding that it is ok. I would prefer to be there to see how it behaves both before and after it has actually done a couple of cuts.

Thanks again though and I have learned a lot from the forums.
 

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