ihatevines
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Can I tow over 10,000 pounds behind a 1 ton without a CDL?
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Here in MI you can if you arent doing it for hire.
Edit: I should also have stated here in MI, it doesnt matter whats pulling the trailer, if its rated 10,000 or more, you must have a Class A.
Edit: I should also have stated here in MI, it doesnt matter whats pulling the trailer, if its rated 10,000 or more, you must have a Class A.
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Tree Slayer
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Hear in Pa if your trailer is over 10k your truck needs to be registered in combination to haul. The whole combo must be under 26k or you do need a cdl. if your not registered in combo and the trailer is over 10 k the weight of the trailer goes right on the truck and your over loaded. Best to check with your state.
ihatevines
ArboristSite Member
Thank you for the quick replies. Me and my father continually argue about this. We have read the state statues for Florida and still can't figure it out. We have called the license office and have gotten the answer both ways. Just hoping some one could help clear this up.
ihatevines
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After reading up on this subject more it looks like the cdl rules are federal not state. If this is true how can it vary from state to state?
Just wondering about it being federal to know what i would need to storm chase.
Just wondering about it being federal to know what i would need to storm chase.
DDM
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Treeman14 said:
So My f-250 with company lettering requires a cdl?
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The federal sets the minimum requirements, and I think each state has the right to go beyond that.
Stop in to a local weigh scale and talk to the carrier enforcement. For the most part the people in the court house don't know much about the commercial carrier laws. I'm not sure if the laws vary by state. If not, then basically you need a cdl if you are driving a single vehcle with a GVWR of 26001 lbs or more. A combination of 26,001 lbs or more. If your combination is 26,001 lbs or more and your trailer GVWR is over 10,000 then you need a class A.
Just remember that they go off of the groos vehicle weight ratings that the factory puts on the vehicle, not how much you weigh. I got a $250 ticket for pulling an empty tandem duelly trailer with my pickup, because a class A cdl is required for that combination. I have a cdl now, but I didn't at the time.
ihatevines said:
The federal sets the minimum requirements, and I think each state has the right to go beyond that.
Stop in to a local weigh scale and talk to the carrier enforcement. For the most part the people in the court house don't know much about the commercial carrier laws. I'm not sure if the laws vary by state. If not, then basically you need a cdl if you are driving a single vehcle with a GVWR of 26001 lbs or more. A combination of 26,001 lbs or more. If your combination is 26,001 lbs or more and your trailer GVWR is over 10,000 then you need a class A.
Just remember that they go off of the groos vehicle weight ratings that the factory puts on the vehicle, not how much you weigh. I got a $250 ticket for pulling an empty tandem duelly trailer with my pickup, because a class A cdl is required for that combination. I have a cdl now, but I didn't at the time.
LightningLoader
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If you're going to stormchase between states, you probibly have to get set up with IFTA too. I always thought that you needed your CDL when the GVWR hit 33,000lbs?
juststumps
ArboristSite Guru
cdl
heres my take on the CDL thing,,,
1: under 26,000,,, no CDL
2: over 26,001,,, CDL class B
3: over 26,001,,, towing less than 10,000,,,,class B
4
ver 26,001,,,towing more than 10,001,,, class A
5:under 26,000,,,towing under 10,000,,, no CDL
6: under 26,000,,,towing over 10,000,,,,AND,,,this is the big one,,,,
" if the combined GVW of the tow vehicle,,,and the GVW of the 10,000 + trailer exceed 26,001,,,,,,class A CDL"
heres my take on the CDL thing,,,
1: under 26,000,,, no CDL
2: over 26,001,,, CDL class B
3: over 26,001,,, towing less than 10,000,,,,class B
4
ver 26,001,,,towing more than 10,001,,, class A5:under 26,000,,,towing under 10,000,,, no CDL
6: under 26,000,,,towing over 10,000,,,,AND,,,this is the big one,,,,
" if the combined GVW of the tow vehicle,,,and the GVW of the 10,000 + trailer exceed 26,001,,,,,,class A CDL"
ihatevines
ArboristSite Member
Just stumps... So your saying that since my f350 is a 13,000 gvw, and my dumptrailer is a 14,000 gvw that I would need a class A to be legal? Because 13,000+14,000 = 27,000? Even though my trucks gcwr is only 23,500? (ford has the truck towing capacity rated at 15,000)
Seriously though, yess you do!ct/ny
ct./ny.. vehicle 23,000gvw chipper 8800 anybody???? at the weigh in what if you have chips fully loaded they weigh both chipper and truck???juststumps said:heres my take on the CDL thing,,,
1: under 26,000,,, no CDL
2: over 26,001,,, CDL class B
3: over 26,001,,, towing less than 10,000,,,,class B
4
5:under 26,000,,,towing under 10,000,,, no CDL
6: under 26,000,,,towing over 10,000,,,,AND,,,this is the big one,,,,
" if the combined GVW of the tow vehicle,,,and the GVW of the 10,000 + trailer exceed 26,001,,,,,,class A CDL"
pesimon
ArboristSite Lurker
When you hit the scales they look for alot of things. They weigh the truck as it sits there and compares the total weigh on the reg and on the sticker on the truck. You can get a ticket for being over the truck limit or over the weight on the registration. They will then also add the weight of the chipper to the whole mix. With the total weight and the break down between truck and machine they then look at your liscense to see if you have the right class.
Be very careful as the cost of tickets are huge not to mention points on liscense.
If over weight on the truck sticker they put you out of service and declare the truck unsafe to drive. Truck has to be unloaded, to another truck , down below the weight limit before truck can be legally moved out of parking lot.
If truck weight is over weight on registration but below safe limit on truck most of the time the will let you proceed after you get your ticket. But this is up to the officers discreation.
Most over load tickets are on a sliding scale. The more you are overloaded the more your gonna pay.
I got a ticket on RT 95 just coming into Conn from NY in a Ford van. Sign said all commercial vehicles must go on scales so I went. Turns out the Ford dealer who registered the van for me when I bought it new from them only registered it for 5500 lbs.,the empty weight, not the max gross weight of 9600lbs. My total weight on scale was 8400lbs. Was allowed to continue after he wrote me a nice ticket. Ticket was for $1500.00. just about fell over. Officer said to go to court with new updated reggie and they should kick it with a warning.
Went to court and almost beat it but the 2nd district attorny flipped out on me, accussing me be a tax cheat by having a low weight on reggie. Bottom line reduced to $800.00. and then they would not accept an out of state check. Had to mail in some money orders.
Bottom line is to get the right liscense , if not its gonna cost ya
Be very careful as the cost of tickets are huge not to mention points on liscense.
If over weight on the truck sticker they put you out of service and declare the truck unsafe to drive. Truck has to be unloaded, to another truck , down below the weight limit before truck can be legally moved out of parking lot.
If truck weight is over weight on registration but below safe limit on truck most of the time the will let you proceed after you get your ticket. But this is up to the officers discreation.
Most over load tickets are on a sliding scale. The more you are overloaded the more your gonna pay.
I got a ticket on RT 95 just coming into Conn from NY in a Ford van. Sign said all commercial vehicles must go on scales so I went. Turns out the Ford dealer who registered the van for me when I bought it new from them only registered it for 5500 lbs.,the empty weight, not the max gross weight of 9600lbs. My total weight on scale was 8400lbs. Was allowed to continue after he wrote me a nice ticket. Ticket was for $1500.00. just about fell over. Officer said to go to court with new updated reggie and they should kick it with a warning.
Went to court and almost beat it but the 2nd district attorny flipped out on me, accussing me be a tax cheat by having a low weight on reggie. Bottom line reduced to $800.00. and then they would not accept an out of state check. Had to mail in some money orders.
Bottom line is to get the right liscense , if not its gonna cost ya
juststumps
ArboristSite Guru
ihatevines said:
ihatevine, it's the trailer,, its over 10 K... thats the magic number in the book...you could pull a 15,000 lb camper, no problamo, with an empty truck... it's not commercial...dump trail loaded to 14k,,,truck loaded to 13k,, you're 27k...you're 3.5k over loaded ...your own specs are 23.5k you tell me a tree guy that doesn't cram one more piece of wood on his rig...who is going to bust you???? i don't know....i think the only time you would really have to worry,,, if you had to go through a scale,,or there was a commecial inspection road stop....
juststumps
ArboristSite Guru
jmack said:
jmack, as long as the trailer is under 10,000,,,,no problem.....as long as if your loaded, and pulling,, you don't exceed the cgvr
thanks man and dont ferget yer medical card ,,,,, pesimon if that sign says open the digital that is get off at 2 hook a left down to us 1 go up to exit 5 get back on 95 my freind got an 30,000 dollar ticket reduced to 11k at that onejuststumps said:
