they get better as you go ... skip the sking pics haha .... you guys would benifit from some of the rockclimbers as far as funcky rope work ...of cours us tree people know trees best .... i get hired all the time by rockclimbers to do tree work ..... anyone wanting a good political debate check into michail crowder or buckfush on that web site forum and also let me know what you tree men think of the site in general ????? .... pretty opinionated if you have the time ....