Chipper VS Chisel

[rjh245]

Bailey's has some good deals on chipper chain ($199)...I was thinking about getting a reel for my 359 and my 575.
Can you guys tell me the difference between chipper and chisel chain. I have only used chisel and semi-chisel chain.
Rob

 

[Crofter]

I didn't think chipper was still being made for hand held saws. A few people still refer to semi chisel as chipper though. Unless you were cutting a lot of dirty wood I wonder at you needing a whole reel of it.

 

[rjh245]

Any one else? Any one have a picture of a chipper cutter?

 

[ray benson]

This should show some different cutter profiles.
http://www.oregonchain.com/tech/ms_manual/ms_05.pdf

 

[rjh245]

Would chipper chain be good for firewood cutting? I have a lot of wood to cut that has been laying on the ground.

I have found that chisel cutters tend to dull fast for my use. I use mostly semi-chisel. It seems like as soon as the tips of the cutters, on a chisel chain, are dull the chain cuts very slowly.

thanks for any info
Rob

 

[Crofter]

Show us the add and details about the chipper chain. I think there is confusion and someone is calling semi chisel, "chipper"

 

[rjh245]

http://onlinestore.forestindustry.c...?mv_session_id=wCcFvm8r&product_sku=CA100 A1S


That should do it.
Rob

 

[Crofter]

Well, I'll be durned!

I see it is a closeout. 'Twas my understanding that it had not been made in anything but harvester chain in a long time. It will have an even larger radius at the top plate / side plate junction than the semi chisel. I expect it should be a wee bit slower cutting but should be even less affected by sand damage than semi chisel. I am sure you could unload some of it if you didn't want the whole reel. Carlton Chain is good hard chain,

Sorry!

 

[Lawn Masters]

I myself have been lookin for the true chipper stuff in 3/8 pitch for my saws, given how much of what I cut is significantly charred wood, or really dirty. chipper would probably suite me quite nicely. tried it in .404 Mac chain at one time on my 250, and I liked the stuff.

 

[rjh245]

Do you know why they are no longer making the chain? It seems to me it might be a good deal if someone is cutting dirty wood.
I am really thinking about getting a reel of the stuff. I assume it is easy to hand file and I don't think it would cut much slower than semi-chisel chain.

Rob

 

[Crofter]

Should file with the same 7/32 file. If it stays sharp better that should offset any amount slower it is.

 

[buck futter]

How are you filing with your chisel or semi-chisel chain. If it is dulling that easily there are a couple of things you can look at to help. First if you go with blunter angles generally the tooth will hold up to a little more abuse unless you are just nailing rocks left or right. The next thing is technique and common sense. If you notice one side of the log is significantly more dirty than the other, start your cut in the cleaner wood and have the chain and chip clearance on the dirtier side. Let me know if this is not clear enough.


Buck

 

[rjh245]

How are you filing with your chisel or semi-chisel chain. If it is dulling that easily there are a couple of things you can look at to help. First if you go with blunter angles generally the tooth will hold up to a little more abuse unless you are just nailing rocks left or right. The next thing is technique and common sense. If you notice one side of the log is significantly more dirty than the other, start your cut in the cleaner wood and have the chain and chip clearance on the dirtier side. Let me know if this is not clear enough.


Buck

That is very clear. Thanks
I hand file (Using a round file) all my chains unless hit a rock and really tear up a chain. Then I take it to the dealer and he puts it on the grinder. I file the chains at a 30 dergee angle. I am guessing that going to a 15 degree angle might help? I can give it a try. I have had good luck with semi-chisel chain and it does not get dull too fast for me however, the full chisel chain seems to get dull quickly. As soon as the tip of the cutter is dull it needs sharpened. When I cut with chisel chain I feel like I have to sharpen the chain each tank of gas. With the semi-chisel I can normally go about 2 or 3 tanks between touching up the chain.

I was thinking this chain might save me a little time filing and save me a few bucks. Is chipper chain that much slower that semi-chisel? Does it have a higher tendency to kickback?


Rob

 

[buck futter]

I don't know about 15 degrees 20 maybe and 25 is what is recommended by oregon for the 3/8 chain. From what it sounds like you are probably close to being right on the money with sharpening if the wood has a little grit to it. When you sharpen you chain at each fill up I assume it only takes you a stroke or two with the file to get the teeth right back correct? Semi-chisel may be most appopriate for what you are doing right now. As far a kick-back, most safety chains seem to lean toward the semi chisel cutter so I would have to assume that it is less likely to kickback. Although relying on the safety factor of a chain is akin to relying on a safety on a gun. Bad bad bad practice. The technique should be the safety device.
You could also bring a couple of sharp loops with you, I noticed both of your saw use a 20 bar, its fast to change out and you can sharpen in a controlled enviroment or at least a vice

For what it is worth I only use chisel chain, and I don't mind touching it up when it needs it, it doesn't take long to sharpen if it only needs a light touch.

Buck

 

[rjh245]

I don't know about 15 degrees 20 maybe and 25 is what is recommended by oregon for the 3/8 chain. From what it sounds like you are probably close to being right on the money with sharpening if the wood has a little grit to it. When you sharpen you chain at each fill up I assume it only takes you a stroke or two with the file to get the teeth right back correct? Semi-chisel may be most appopriate for what you are doing right now. As far a kick-back, most safety chains seem to lean toward the semi chisel cutter so I would have to assume that it is less likely to kickback. Although relying on the safety factor of a chain is akin to relying on a safety on a gun. Bad bad bad practice. The technique should be the safety device.
You could also bring a couple of sharp loops with you, I noticed both of your saw use a 20 bar, its fast to change out and you can sharpen in a controlled enviroment or at least a vice

For what it is worth I only use chisel chain, and I don't mind touching it up when it needs it, it doesn't take long to sharpen if it only needs a light touch.

Buck

I do sharpen in the woods and I always give the cutters three strokes per tooth and they are sharp as a razor.
The reason I asked about safety was because I was wondering if the chipper has a higher tendency to kickack.
I the semi chisel chain I have is all safety chains because i got a bunch of loops for 8 bucks a chain.
All the chisel chain i have is Oregon 72LG and that cuts like a hot knife through butter but it is only good for clean wood.

Thanks for the info
Rob