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You'll never see an article like that appearing in any part of the left side of the states. Clearcuts have been so drubbed into the thinking of the west states as raping of the land that the public would never stand for any common sense thinking like what this man is proposing. He's right on as far as I'm concerned. I'm looking outside my window right now at timber that has been logged 50 years ago and is ready to go again. At the 2500' level here in the PNW we grow trees and we grow them good. Up above that we also grow them but not at such a sustainable level. When I drive up into the mtns just to be there I see where my father cut back into the
60s and the reprod just doesn't grow well. It grows good for where it is but just not at that high level of growth of lowland timber. The public can't think for themselves or find out the truth about clearcuts because the media has poisoned them against them.
 
Yep.

Meanwhile, we're getting some very good results in the Puget lowlands with group selection & retention -- the dry, rocky soils and shallow slope make it possible -- and the public seems to like it well enough. I don't think these methods would work at all on slopes >50% or so, though. I guess it really boils down to local knowledge and clear management goals.
 
This is the idiots we are now dealing with in New England. This guy has single handedly shut down logging on state land in MA by spreading his lies. I heard he was chased out of Oregon by some big logging companies and now he's here and the eastern MA holes are buying his crap

MASSACHUSETTS FOREST WATCH

This website really makes my blood boil. So full of BS.
 
Just saw the pics and read the text. Boy, they sure know how to get to the emotions, don't they. They shouldn't have put in the series the pic of the leave tree areas circled by yellow. Did you notice the great stands that were left in between the logged off areas? When they replant that's what that country will look like. Nothing but a green carpet. Envirouses just can't see what things look like in the future. All things die. Even trees. If managed well forests are healthier and the whole ecosystems fare better. If they would deal with the facts instead of their emotions this world would be a better place.
 
Note the use of percentages. I have pointed out to folks that percentages don't mean much. These groups use that tactic. They use that method here. There was talk of increasing the cut in Oregon by 50% which got folks enraged. The cut was so low to begin with, that 50% more wasn't much.

They'll use that, they'll use carefully cropped photos. A favorite technique is to take aerial photos in the winter, when you can't see the new crop of trees growing because the snow covers them. There was an instance of that technique done here. The photo called the area an example of deforestation, I knew that there were saplings growing like mad everywhere but the rocked roads and landings on that unit.

You better get to politicking because that group and the others are well versed in how to shut logging down. They've had practice and success out here. Politicians and judges run the timber programs here.

It is hard to make logging look "pretty" and most folks just don't understand that forests grow out of ugly disturbances. Unless it is a volcano. Then it is wonderful to watch the forest recover and that disturbance is natural, and therefore a good thing. The same goes for fires.

Everybody seems to know more about forests than foresters and folks who have lived and worked in them all their lives. OK, I'm done for now with my rant.
 
Good morning, Patty.
Another thing I've notice is that they will take photos of private property (Plum Creek, for example) and use them as public lands. How many time have I had people come into my office and we start talking. One of the things they mention is all of the land that has been logged. I ask them where they see it. They point up to the hills that belong to private companies. I then ask them to tell me how much timber they see cut east of Randle. When they find out that the logged off property is private that all the land east of Randle is public property they are stunned. I don't think that people realize how much property was given to the RR companies out here.
 
The one picture I gave a second look to was the cemetery pictures. Come to find out (and if you look close) the area was damaged from blow downs, the logs were cut and the tops left as not to damage the headstones.

The unfortunate part is this website worked! and those pictures had enough people writing the govener that he shut all state land logging down!

The state of MA (and all New England) logging/clearing contractors need to get behind this and fight it...but how is that done?

Are there any pro logging groups that fight this type of slander?
 
Yeah, Mass is FUBAR'd anyway.

There's an enormous mis-information / dis-information campaign that goes along with the anti-logging forces.

First and foremost they claim they're cutting "park" land.

State Forests in this part of New England were established for two very specific reasons -- as a timber reserve and watershed protection. The timber reserve came out of a need to assure long term supplies of lumber to industry (although that industry has changed -- box making using pine has been all but replaced by cardboard for example).

Read the contemporary reports of Austin F. Hawes who was State Forester in CT & VT (and friends with Gifford Pinochet, possibly a classmate if I remember right?) and it's clear the commercial purpose behind the forests -- established on the idea that the long-term economics of timber growing was such that you couldn't rely on individual or corporate interests to maintain it. The State was in a position however to make these perpetual investments knowing the payoff would be 50 to 80 years down the road. (That the States aren't maximizing this is another story).

State Parks and State Reserves were names for locations acquired with different primary management objectives from Day One.
 
The booger lips that run the City of Arcata manage the city's timber, they are still cutting it, a little at a time. When you get down to the nub, money talks, the BS walks. There will come a day, when salvage sales in Parks will be acceptable, lots of blown down timber.
 
I can't help but notice how MASSACHUSETTS FOREST WATCH completely overlooked the new seedlings planted in after the "deplorable" practice of clear-cutting. Whether the omission is by ignorance or misinformation makes no difference. Also noticed the dig at FSC. Can't say I approve of propaganda.
 
I read it fast, but at least I didn't see them using the words, Ancient, Pristine, Wilderness, and all the other buzzwords that get used out here. As in Ancient Oldgrowth Lodgepole....:laugh:
 
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