Climbing with a friction saver.

[beastmaster]

Talk about a pain in the rear. Were required to climb with a friction saver around the trunk of the tree as well as our lanyard.
Im all for safety but come on. We can use a over head line in its place. You have to be able to drop out of a tree at any time.
I think you Canadians come up with this stuff, as must the on site instructors are Canadians.
I learned back in the day not to cut our lanyards.
The whole friction saver thing got me pissed to day. Don't get me going on that stupid bore cut.

 

[scheffa]

In Aus clearing power lines we are required to have 2 points of attachment at all times when cutting and must have a line to the ground at all times

 

[ksvanbrunt]

You have to use a friction saver on removals? I can understand for pruning, for cambium preservation.

 

[jefflovstrom]

You have to use a friction saver on removals? I can understand for pruning, for cambium preservation.

I think he means in addition to his lanyard, he has to have a friction saver to repel down in the event he cuts his lanyard.
Jeff

 

[BC WetCoast]

We've been required to be tied in twice (TITS) for years. In the past, it was you climbing line acting like a second lanyard. Now it's using an adjustable friction saver.
Last summer, a young arborist/business owner was killed. He was blocking down a tree, only tied in once. The way I heard the story, he pushed against the block and his lanyard failed. I'm not sure if the wire core broke, the crimp failed or the snap failed. Regardless, if he had been tied in twice, he wouldn't have fallen out of the tree.

 

[ksvanbrunt]

I think he means in addition to his lanyard, he has to have a friction saver to repel down in the event he cuts his lanyard.
Jeff

Makes sense.

 

[Griff93]

You can do the same thing with a rescue 8 and choking one end of your climbing rope around the tree, if they'll let you. It's a lot less crap dangling in front of you. If you put a long tail on it, you can usually use it to rappel then use the tail to pull it down to you.

 

[beastmaster]

I had a 55 inch pondarosa pine to climb yesterday. My friction saver wouldn't reach around the tree i ask one of the experts if i could flip up tell it would fit. He gave me a 20 min. Lesson on how to do it with the friction saver i have. Of course he never went up the tree. After he left i gave it a shot. After ten feet i said screw it, and shot a line up and SRT up. My gree gree isn't approved so i was still in violation. It took 3 hours to take a top and a big chunk with a 066 and 36 in. Bar. It would of took all day climbing with that friction saver. I got it down on smaller trees to 40 dbh or so. How they expect us to get any production?

 

[Andrew Arbor]

Talk about a pain in the rear. Were required to climb with a friction saver around the trunk of the tree as well as our lanyard.
Im all for safety but come on. We can use a over head line in its place. You have to be able to drop out of a tree at any time.
I think you Canadians come up with this stuff, as must the on site instructors are Canadians.
I learned back in the day not to cut our lanyards.
The whole friction saver thing got me pissed to day. Don't get me going on that stupid bore cut.

Lets get you going on the bore cut!

Really though, if you choker your climbing system around the spar and use a rope wrench in addition to your typical friction hitch would your instructors be okay with that? This is a the system I use and works just fine.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Lets get you going on the bore cut!

Really though, if you choker your climbing system around the spar and use a rope wrench in addition to your typical friction hitch would your instructors be okay with that? This is a the system I use and works just fine.

You do not understand what he is up against,,,
Jeff

 

[Zale]

What's he up against?

 

[beastmaster]

The main contractor who we sub under is serious about their methods. Not abiding by their rules and regulations is grounds for dismissal. They don't make exceptions. It's their way or the highway.
The paperwork a lone on each tree, site, chainsaw, even weather and temperature, takes an hour or more a day. That being said, their paying well, not great but well.
That's what were going through.

 

[BC WetCoast]

They're playing 'cover your butt'. Obviously there's enough money in it for them to pay for all the paperwork.

We've done work for oil and gas companies and it's the same. By the time you get all the paperwork and pre job safety stuff done, you could have had all the work done and been out of there. But if they're willing to pay our rate to do it, who am I to argue.

 

[jefflovstrom]

It is what it is,,
Jeff

 

[Zale]

I was reading an article where they are estimating up to 120 million trees have been effected. Good luck and you might want to pack a couple of extra files.

 

[beastmaster]

I complain a little but really I love it. My wife and I are making more money then we ever have. I just like to climb trees, I'm sick with it. The company treats me really good.
The picture is a group of trees were working on today. The big one I'll do monday. Jump a top out then vertical zip chunks out. We'll have traffic control. My wife's a flagger so she gets to watch me work. After the first time she seen me catch a top she said I have to get life insurance.