Connecting 2 biners to 4d seat saddle?

[shanexv]

i've grown from a blake's hitch on the end of my line to using a distel with a pulley now but am having a problem with using 2 seperate carabiners on my type saddle. I like being able to quickly unhook from my system but the two biners conflict with one another no matter how I turn them and cause my hitch to turn around. The biner on my climb line also pushes the legs of the distel away from one another when I am tending slack. I plan to get a bridge saddle and use a hitchclimber setup soon, but it will be a while before I will be able purchase the extra gear..
Does anyone have any tips when using this system with a 4d saddle to help keep the biners from doing this?

 

[treemandan]

i've grown from a blake's hitch on the end of my line to using a distel with a pulley now but am having a problem with using 2 seperate carabiners on my type saddle. I like being able to quickly unhook from my system but the two biners conflict with one another no matter how I turn them and cause my hitch to turn around. The biner on my climb line also pushes the legs of the distel away from one another when I am tending slack. I plan to get a bridge saddle and use a hitchclimber setup soon, but it will be a while before I will be able purchase the extra gear..
Does anyone have any tips when using this system with a 4d saddle to help keep the biners from doing this?

Using two biners with a Hitch Climber pulley should work. 2 biners are still used but only one clips to the saddle.

 

[Carburetorless]

I don't use an eye & eye, but I always thought that you're supposed to place both eyes on the same biner.

 

[shanexv]

haha wow I feel stupid now! :confused2:
I even saw that setup in a picture in the wesspur catalog and it didn't click with me that I could attach that way...derrpderp
thanks for opening my eyes!

 

[shanexv]

i will now definitely be getting a hitch climber asap, the new saddle can wait a little longer..I just love that easy range of motion i have when using my friend's cougar over having to re-sit in my 4d everytime I twist around

 

[shanexv]

I don't use an eye & eye, but I always thought that you're supposed to place both eyes on the same biner.

One biner is for the end of my climbline

 

[Carburetorless]

One biner is for the end of my climbline

I keep forgetting that some people don't climb SRT.

 

[shanexv]

I was taught drt to begin with but I have been looking into srt and am concidering taking the plunge and getting a wrench..I can see the advantages of being able to slide down a rope without having to work extra rope into the system.

 

[Carburetorless]

I was taught drt to begin with but I have been looking into srt and am concidering taking the plunge and getting a wrench..I can see the advantages of being able to slide down a rope without having to work extra rope into the system.

I'd definitely add some sort of friction device to the system descending on a single rope, such as the rope wrench.

One thing I like about DdRT is that it's a more controlled/slower descent, and that takes a lot of heat off your hitch.

 

[shanexv]

For sure. I ascend srt quite a bit and keep a 8 to place below my hitch if I need to decend. sometimes in DRT i get added friction from touching branches above me or when I am going against my tip that makes it difficult to pull the rope up and over the tip, makes limb walks a pima. I can imagine srt being convienent because you push the hitch and down you go, no matter where the tip is or what the line above is up against.

 

[Carburetorless]

For sure. I ascend srt quite a bit and keep a 8 to place below my hitch if I need to decend. sometimes in DRT i get added friction from touching branches above me or when I am going against my tip that makes it difficult to pull the rope up and over the tip, makes limb walks a pima. I can imagine srt being convienent because you push the hitch and down you go, no matter where the tip is or what the line above is up against.

Yeah with SRT the rope is static, so you're descending in true rappel style.

With DdRT you descend as the load on a mechanical advantage system. It has it's benefits. I still like SRT for ascending, cause you don't waste any effort on small returns. There's nothing wrong with ascending SRT, and then setting up a DdRT system to work from and descending on that.

I still want to try out some of the more advanced DdRT climbing techniques though, just to see if they're as good as some say they are. If I ever get done buying gear that I need I'll get a DdRT setup.

 

[shanexv]

Yea I can see a time and place for each method and I would like to become familiar with as many as possible...man some of them are pretty gear intensive though! All I need to work srt now is a rope wrench and a hitch climber to make attaching easier. I'm pretty new to all this and without sites like this I wouldn't know anywhere near as much as I do now. Maybe one day I will have gained enough knowledge to help contribute to the community :wink:

 

[KenJax Tree]

Share what you already know maybe you know something i don't.

 

[Customcuts]

Hitch climber pulley

I just ordered my hitchclimber pulley last nifht, I have been having the same problem u described in the beginning of this thread...:msp_angry: it is really annoying but I have just been dealing with it, but nit much longer..after I get the pulley all I will lack is rope wrench and a tether for it... Can't wait.

 

[Tree Pig]

I use a 4d and connect one large biner to the two front d rings then clip my rope snap and my biner with my distal on it to the one large biner. I seldom have a problem it seems to work for me but I will admit that the hitch climber would be a better set up. For me I already have two or three pullys and just have not talked my self in to spending another $70 on one.

 

[ClimbMIT]

Yea I can see a time and place for each method and I would like to become familiar with as many as possible...man some of them are pretty gear intensive though! All I need to work srt now is a rope wrench and a hitch climber to make attaching easier. I'm pretty new to all this and without sites like this I wouldn't know anywhere near as much as I do now. Maybe one day I will have gained enough knowledge to help contribute to the community :wink:

Hey Shane, I know what you mean. This site, youtube, and Arborist Suppliers (like Treestuff, Sherril) has brought from tautline hitch Drt with freakin Arborplex! Lol! to confidently using SRT ascending and working the tree. I have hitchclimber with RW setup and using beeline with a vt on Poison Hivy. I just want to let you know that it takes getting use to but can be a great benefit. I love how SRT work I can just go around as many branches as i want and I am not fighting for slack. Drt with the hitchclimber and vt is very smooth as well.

 

[ClimbMIT]

Yea I can see a time and place for each method and I would like to become familiar with as many as possible...man some of them are pretty gear intensive though! All I need to work srt now is a rope wrench and a hitch climber to make attaching easier. I'm pretty new to all this and without sites like this I wouldn't know anywhere near as much as I do now. Maybe one day I will have gained enough knowledge to help contribute to the community :wink:

Oh yeh, Kevin Bingham had mentioned on another site that if you are over like 175 lbs. get a 1/2 rope for less friction on your hitch. I weigh 190 and have adjusted the RW, tether and tried several eye to eye prusiks. All of them tend to produce heat enough to burn my hand if I don't use gloves. My next rope will be Vortex since it is 1/2 inch for RW set up. I don't recall if they was the exact weight he said but I am sure you can Google it. Last thing also heard their is a ZK-2 coming out!

 

[shanexv]

Hey Shane, I know what you mean. This site, youtube, and Arborist Suppliers (like Treestuff, Sherril) has brought from tautline hitch Drt with freakin Arborplex! Lol! to confidently using SRT ascending and working the tree. I have hitchclimber with RW setup and using beeline with a vt on Poison Hivy. I just want to let you know that it takes getting use to but can be a great benefit. I love how SRT work I can just go around as many branches as i want and I am not fighting for slack. Drt with the hitchclimber and vt is very smooth as well.

Yea I am definitely goin to be gettin a hitch climber pulley and rw soon. I've been watching a bunch of the srt videos and it looks much easier to move around in the tree, only thing that looks like it could really give much of a problem is retreiving it..but as long as you're careful not to smash the haul back line and have it routed in a good direction it is pretty simple.
Going over and next to branches DRT can make what should be a simple limb walk into an inch by inch crotch hopping, rope tugging balance act from hell!

 

[ClimbMIT]

Yea I am definitely goin to be gettin a hitch climber pulley and rw soon. I've been watching a bunch of the srt videos and it looks much easier to move around in the tree, only thing that looks like it could really give much of a problem is retreiving it..but as long as you're careful not to smash the haul back line and have it routed in a good direction it is pretty simple.
Going over and next to branches DRT can make what should be a simple limb walk into an inch by inch crotch hopping, rope tugging balance act from hell!

Well said! thats what sold me. I am lucky I have two kids I love my hitch climber rapide, RW and vt combo even for DRT works great. Very easy adjustments. I am using beeline but have read allot of good reviews on that OP prusik. May purchase one soon. I climb SRT about ninety percent of the time now with the RW. The only time I don't use the RW is on the spar, except if I am coming down for a break then I will put it on midline to take friction off my hitch.