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Reading on AS and just common sense, i've realized having a webite is a very valuable tool. How have you all made your site? I've red on the internet about using free webhosts, a webhost who charges $, and then some talk about creating the page on like microsoft word and transfering it over. What do you all recommend? thanks logan
 
It all really depends on what you are planning on using your website for.

I have several websites and pay for hosting but I use them for several purposes. I have setup blogs for personal experimentation with breeding dwarf shrimp. I have another for a personal portfolio of my art and another with a private forum for a local mt biking community.

The cost of a domain and hosting is actually extremely cheap for what you are getting. If you plan on setting up a website for professional use I highly suggest buying a domain and hosting. Nobody wants to go to a website like john34.geocities.com vs. www.johnsideas.com

I currently use and am very satisfied with lunarpages.com for hosting.

As far as what application to use for creating it depends on your computer skills. I can help suggest some ways to create a site when I know what you are wanting to use it for.
 
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Like most professions this area has multitudes of options and multitudes of "hacks" in it.

I've seen people get skun, get sites that look a million dollars and even 3 years later dont rank on Google.

There's better ways of doing things, those who are at the forefront of web development and SEO dont work for nothing and do bugger all for free.

In comparison to other forms of advertising one must say why SCAB OUT on something this inexpensive to begin with? Like a home-owner felling a hazard tree many embark upon a website with little idea of the best building methods and results.

I build sites.

I write code through an FTP transfer client called CuteFTP. I write and layout pages using css. My sites come stock SEO'd and all rank 1st page Google with most of them taking out #1 ... you dont get that at many web places.

Why did I do that?

Because of the "hacks" and the rip off pricing out there for web design. Then after paying $2k to a web designer my site sat stagnant and never ranked in Google. Decent help was hard to find so I did courses and took an interest. Like many things people with a passionate interest often find out more and do more than those where it's "just a job".

Within no time my sites ranked well and now hard to beat with heavy competition.

Like felling trees or even climbing them, armchair observers think it's all easy, they think they can do it, perhaps, but in 90% of the cases, no. Like the home-owner who gets injured or smashes stuff the learning curve will be there.

Common mistakes of websites.

1/ Name the site after your business. (I'm guilty of this too but have grown wiser and know better)

2/ Use free hosting without a unique URL

3/ Incorrect hosting choices, for instance, do you host on Linux using Apache or a Windows server?

4/ Too much focus on "bells and whistles". WOW factor, all those great eye candy gizmo's suck bandwidth and take time to load ... click, customer gone elsewhere your site took too long to show up, 3 seconds they say.

5/ No idea of how bots crawl so poor layout and no hierarchical structure

6/ No idea of off site optimisation, hence why some 5 year old sites get beaten by 6 month old sites

7/ Poor coding confusing and delaying bot crawlers

8/ Excessive use of javascript and flash as it's so easy to make drop down menus and little things happen.

9/ Poor choice of keywords and keyword spamming. How often I see 30 keywords in the meta tags, idiots.

10/ No meta tags

11/ No sitemap

12/ No .htaccess file

13/ No robots txt file

14/ Domain and hosting bought together as a "package"

So as you can see there's things to do that aren't even on the web pages themselves. Things to do that 99% of designers dont give a stuff about.

It's a massive learning curve, very hard to teach some-one, and experienced builder and SEO people wont go about revealing too much for nothing.

.com's these days cost $10, careful where you purchase them. Buying hosting and a .com together can and from my experience will get you stuck and frustrated. All those 24/7 offers of help and 30 day refunds sound great ... wait till you try to use them, then realise what really goes on.

I have built many ,many sites now. tweaked a few but to the day can honestly say unlike felling a tree where there's a finite beginning and end with websites it's an ongoing never ending evolution. Sure you can "set and forget", many people have a site and never touch it, stays the same for years. They can get knocked off easily.

The logical thing to do is allow a budget, how much do you wan to invest, what do you expect to get.

In my experience most people have little idea and simply dont follow through, cant write anything and like staring at a blank page get writers block and then give up wasting every-ones time.

I can sit here and say this, lay down the challenge if you like, tree people etc, if you want a website or you want to be #1 in Google I can do it, you name the site you want to knock off and it's done. :cheers:

Click the links in my sigs to get to me, then email me if you're serious.
 
Like most professions this area has multitudes of options and multitudes of "hacks" in it.

I've seen people get skun, get sites that look a million dollars and even 3 years later dont rank on Google.

There's better ways of doing things, those who are at the forefront of web development and SEO dont work for nothing and do bugger all for free.

In comparison to other forms of advertising one must say why SCAB OUT on something this inexpensive to begin with? Like a home-owner felling a hazard tree many embark upon a website with little idea of the best building methods and results.

I build sites.

I write code through an FTP transfer client called CuteFTP. I write and layout pages using css. My sites come stock SEO'd and all rank 1st page Google with most of them taking out #1 ... you dont get that at many web places.

Why did I do that?

Because of the "hacks" and the rip off pricing out there for web design. Then after paying $2k to a web designer my site sat stagnant and never ranked in Google. Decent help was hard to find so I did courses and took an interest. Like many things people with a passionate interest often find out more and do more than those where it's "just a job".

Within no time my sites ranked well and now hard to beat with heavy competition.

Like felling trees or even climbing them, armchair observers think it's all easy, they think they can do it, perhaps, but in 90% of the cases, no. Like the home-owner who gets injured or smashes stuff the learning curve will be there.

Common mistakes of websites.

1/ Name the site after your business. (I'm guilty of this too but have grown wiser and know better)

2/ Use free hosting without a unique URL

3/ Incorrect hosting choices, for instance, do you host on Linux using Apache or a Windows server?

4/ Too much focus on "bells and whistles". WOW factor, all those great eye candy gizmo's suck bandwidth and take time to load ... click, customer gone elsewhere your site took too long to show up, 3 seconds they say.

5/ No idea of how bots crawl so poor layout and no hierarchical structure

6/ No idea of off site optimisation, hence why some 5 year old sites get beaten by 6 month old sites

7/ Poor coding confusing and delaying bot crawlers

8/ Excessive use of javascript and flash as it's so easy to make drop down menus and little things happen.

9/ Poor choice of keywords and keyword spamming. How often I see 30 keywords in the meta tags, idiots.

10/ No meta tags

11/ No sitemap

12/ No .htaccess file

13/ No robots txt file

14/ Domain and hosting bought together as a "package"

So as you can see there's things to do that aren't even on the web pages themselves. Things to do that 99% of designers dont give a stuff about.

It's a massive learning curve, very hard to teach some-one, and experienced builder and SEO people wont go about revealing too much for nothing.

.com's these days cost $10, careful where you purchase them. Buying hosting and a .com together can and from my experience will get you stuck and frustrated. All those 24/7 offers of help and 30 day refunds sound great ... wait till you try to use them, then realise what really goes on.

I have built many ,many sites now. tweaked a few but to the day can honestly say unlike felling a tree where there's a finite beginning and end with websites it's an ongoing never ending evolution. Sure you can "set and forget", many people have a site and never touch it, stays the same for years. They can get knocked off easily.

The logical thing to do is allow a budget, how much do you wan to invest, what do you expect to get.

In my experience most people have little idea and simply dont follow through, cant write anything and like staring at a blank page get writers block and then give up wasting every-ones time.

I can sit here and say this, lay down the challenge if you like, tree people etc, if you want a website or you want to be #1 in Google I can do it, you name the site you want to knock off and it's done. :cheers:

Click the links in my sigs to get to me, then email me if you're serious.


Even with all this information. It all depends on what you plans and goals are with a website. What do you want to accomplish? Are you just setting up a personal website like a blog?
 
thanks for all the info guys! don't get me wrong, i realize that the #1 way of advertising is still word of mouth. We have truck magnets and shirts as well that advertise our business too. this has been tremendous, but i truly believe the advertising business will soon include the internet. i just want something that is ahead of most people in my area and like everything i do, hope to be the most professional business around.
 
Reading on AS and just common sense, i've realized having a webite is a very valuable tool. How have you all made your site? I've red on the internet about using free webhosts, a webhost who charges $, and then some talk about creating the page on like microsoft word and transfering it over. What do you all recommend? thanks logan

If your service is local, I recommend starting the website, and learning how to promote it with your printed material, much more than trying for top internet search results. At least if you are in a sizeable town.

Look at it this way, suppose 20 tree services in your city, all went to the best webmaster and he optimally designed each of the 20 websites for the internet and search engines, who is going to be #1 ? Or even # 1 to #5 ??

It's like rolling the dice.

Put your website on your card with an invitation to visit it. And list it first in a bigger font than your phone. Anybody who want the phone is going to look for it. So put the phone at the bottom.

Put your website in a prominent position on your flyers, brochures, yellow page ads, movie theater screen ads and elsewhere.

Too often, people talk about internet and search engines, and far too little about promoting websites the other ways.

If you are in a small town with very few competitive websites, it's a bit different. But in small towns - at least here - fewer people use the internet.

But it's still worth having a website.

If you decide to promote your site locally through all your written material, that throws a lot of BS out the window. No need to be very concerned about too much in tags, bots, directories, inbound links to your site, site maps, etc..

If you want to fight for search engine results, you need more details to your website.

But remember, if you want the search results in a bigger city, it's closer to a fight or competion. Anything you can do to get your site advanced, someone else can copy to a degree, and do to their site.

As far as your written material - you are in charge of that. You hand it out where you want.
 
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Whatever you do, DON'T do it halfway. Build a good site, or don't build one at all.


And do NOT use your AOL or Gmail or whatever email address on your business site!!!!! Can you say, IDIOT AMATUER HOUR? Yeah. You've paid for a domain name - THAT is where email should go. You can forward that to your AOL or whatever address if you want, but DON'T show that address to the general public. That just screams, "BUSH LEAGUE!!!!"

As far as how the site looks and works, avoid "flashy, whiz-bang whoopee technology just because it's cool". Do what works for your customers, not what makes some pimply faced kid think he's a cool webmaster. Hire a young web designer and that's likely what you'll get. I don't care HOW much he knows about the technology, if he's infatuated with whiz-bang, he's a lousy web designer.

Make sure you spend some time here so you know what NOT to do.
 
Hey Mark

Thing about websites is they're very pliable. You can muck around with them daily if you like.

I personally think it's better to be out there than not all. And then fix, repair, build etc.... which goes on for most sites anyway.

But as you said, dont do the real dumb stuff.

Would you believe I know of real good info site, most links allow you to enter the site to a sub page, when you click on "home" you got to the landing domain name page. Guess what, no menu and no links there ... you are stuck! LOL and the web designer plus owner dont know. As they are competitors I aint telling either. Imagine putting your web designer crap on that.

With Marios advice, who doesn't put their stuff on their stationary?

But online searches are growing, traditional directories like Yellow Pages are losing ground to search engines like Google.

Look at it this way, suppose 20 tree services in your city, all went to the best webmaster and he optimally designed each of the 20 websites for the internet and search engines, who is going to be #1 ? Or even # 1 to #5 ??

It's like rolling the dice.

No different to the dice being rolled in all other forms of more expensive advertising.

Who gets to be #1 in your Yellow Pages? Here it's the older the ad the more rank to #1 in the Yellow Pages it has, that's very unfair and thankfully the net doesn't work entirely that way although Google does give preference to older sites.

Another problem would be all going to the same designer, there'd be a conflict of interest for sure.

As you mentioned there's little that can be truly hidden, but a logical designer would then look to work your niche's and not compete apple for apple. What part of town for example, what suburbs, what skills, what tools and equipment, pruning, root barrier, removals, tower, crane etc.

Sometimes it's hard to let go and go down a different tack to that of your competitor. If your competitor copies your tack, follows your moves, you suit up for a new keyword and get a page he follows etc. That's tough but typical, does happen, very frustrating but better to be the leader than the lost sheep. :clap:

If you are doing the work yourself that's great, if he's not then he'll get sick of paying for it. One of the best example of this type of mentality is bidding for keywords with Google Adwords. Bottomless pits of money companies like insurance and banks flood SERP's so the dudes back at page 3 bid heavily on keywords to go to #1 sponsored ads front page knowing the chances of ever SEO'ing their site to get there is grim. Such is life, happens. There's already talk of Adwords losing appeal, getting too expensive, lots of fraud etc.

Like most things, you decide when it's no longer viable and do something else.
 
Hey Mark

Thing about websites is they're very pliable. You can muck around with them daily if you like.

I personally think it's better to be out there than not all. And then fix, repair, build etc.... which goes on for most sites anyway.

But as you said, dont do the real dumb stuff.


Yeah, why START with things that have already proven to be losers? Make your own mistakes! :D



Would you believe I know of real good info site, most links allow you to enter the site to a sub page, when you click on "home" you got to the landing domain name page. Guess what, no menu and no links there ... you are stuck! LOL and the web designer plus owner dont know. As they are competitors I aint telling either. Imagine putting your web designer crap on that.

:D


But online searches are growing, traditional directories like Yellow Pages are losing ground to search engines like Google.

That's because they stink. I get better results for local businesses in the PAPER directories. :dizzy:
 
thanks for the info guys. I def don't do anything "half-way". there are some people on here who have really neat and organized sites that i have got ideas from, so like you said, this is the best place to find info. On anything!
 
That's because they stink. I get better results for local businesses in the PAPER directories. :dizzy:

Yeah, sometimes you think I'll just quickly look this up and find yourself sifting through pages of BS and go bugger it and grab the White Pages. LOL

How about some of those bigger company websites that are template driven and you cant link to the page or the pic coz the next click in gets a default.

Here's a typical example.

This is a link to Sherrill's redirect pulley, see how you go. :mad:

http://gear.sherrilltree.com/iwwidb.pvx?;multi_item_submit

Their site is a shocker for it, consequently when dropping links all over the boards to pics and gear they miss out. Been watching this for yonks, you try, go hunt around for something then post a link to it.
 
Yeah, sometimes you think I'll just quickly look this up and find yourself sifting through pages of BS and go bugger it and grab the White Pages. LOL

How about some of those bigger company websites that are template driven and you cant link to the page or the pic coz the next click in gets a default.

Here's a typical example.

This is a link to Sherrill's redirect pulley, see how you go. :mad:

http://gear.sherrilltree.com/iwwidb.pvx?;multi_item_submit

Their site is a shocker for it, consequently when dropping links all over the boards to pics and gear they miss out. Been watching this for yonks, you try, go hunt around for something then post a link to it.

Yeah I have noticed that; what a horrible design.
 
With Marios advice, who doesn't put their stuff on their stationary?

For others interested in new ideas, compare Ekka's post with the fact that we don't put our phone number on our business cards or brochures.

It's not going to be an option for everyone, but it's effective for us. Due to the way we display the web address - much unlike "no different".

I've got a notebook on my bookshelf here, loaded with all the business cards I acquired over the past 4 years. The website addresses on most of the cards are inconspicuous. Just a few - about 1% - of the business cards have a website address in a larger font or more prominently positioned.

In opening the phone book - the greater portion of lawn, landscape and tree services either did not have a website, or displayed the URL (www) inconspicuously.

As for online directories, ask yourself how people are going to find you there. Will a search engine take you to a directory? Or will you see one that is standard for a company like Google to display at the top of their page?

Often on Google, what you see incorporates ALPHABETICAL, and that means some companies might want to use the old strategy from Yellow Page advertising, where you start a company with an "A" name, or "B" name like:

"Able Tree Service"

"A - 1 Tree Service"

Don't completely eradicate all the old school ideas. Salvage the methods that still fit new technology.
 

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