DL counts for 32 - 42 inch bars on 880?

[B_Turner]

Warning, skip this post if you are tired of my talking about the 880 vs 3120 thing.

In my search the web, seems like aftermarket bars for the 880 (except GP or Cannon) are harder to find than I would have thought.

Anyone know of a site that lists dl counts for 3/8 .063 in the 32 to 42 inch bar sort of range for the 880? Stihl ES, Oregon, anyone's bars. I am trying to get an idea of whether the dl count differs between 660 and 880 on the same length bar.

No issue with a longer bar, as whatever saw I get (880, 3120) I will probably start with a 50 inch 3/8 Cannon. But for shorter bars, I am trying to figure out if any of my currentshorter length chains will match up for an 880.

I already run 10 different lengths/size of chain, and am hoping to minimize additional sizes to keep on hand. One advantage of the 3120 is that I can use my many bigmount husky bars and chains....

I talked to one dealer today that sells both big saws, and their head tech likes the 880 better. He wishes they had made an adjustable hs on the carb, rather than putting a fixed jet and limiter to solve the problems some 3120s were having.

The dealer said some of their customers that run 3/8 on very long bars (partly because it's cheaper) run the Oregon C/JLX which is slightly wider than Stihl 3/8. I don't know if I can bring myself to do that, as I think the Stihl teeth hold an edge noticeably better, especially square. (I have a few loops of CLX for a 28 inch bar that I tried because I was curious.)

 

[tek9tim]

The Stihl catalog says:
36" - 114
42" - 135

Just like the small mount bars. I don't see a 32" bar in a 3002 mount. I'm sure with research you could find the info on cannon. Stihl's the only info I have though.

 

[B_Turner]

The Stihl catalog says:
36" - 114
42" - 135

Just like the small mount bars. I don't see a 32" bar in a 3002 mount. I'm sure with research you could find the info on cannon. Stihl's the only info I have though.

Thanks, that's perfect as those are the same dl counts as I already run for my 066 and 395.

The dl counts for Cannon are in the Baileys catalog.

 

[Lakeside53]

HOWEVER... those DL counts can vary by one depending on the size of sprocket you run.... and if the chain is new or used... and depend on how long you want to try to get the chain on the damn sprocket. It's more of a problem on 0.404 than 3/.8, but..

The 47 inch bar is 152 DL. They don't list the 59 except in .404 (173 dl) but you could pro-rate the DL count/size to figure it out.

 

[Cut4fun]

Sprocket nose bar in 3/8 for the 880? what lengths and maker?
Besides Cannon and Woodsman pro.

 

[Lakeside53]

you can get the Stihl ES 3002 bars - out here in the PNW area, we can only get 404 in the longer lengths, but the sprocket tip can be replaced with a 3/8 size.

 

[04ultra]

GB 3/8 large Stihl Titanium


16 .050 62DL ST16-50PA

17 .063 66DL ST17-63PA

21 .063 75DL ST21-63PA

25 .063 88DL ST25-63PA

30 .063 100DL SLDT30-63PA

36 .063 114DL SLDT36-63PA

SLD=E099

S=E031

PA=3/8 x 11 pro nose

T=Titanium




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[B_Turner]

HOWEVER... those DL counts can vary by one depending on the size of sprocket you run.... and if the chain is new or used... and depend on how long you want to try to get the chain on the damn sprocket. It's more of a problem on 0.404 than 3/.8, but..
.

I learned that the hard way. I remember about 6 or 7 years ago I was trying to put a new Stihl chain on my 066 that I was running an 8 tooth sprocket with a 32 inch ES bar. My brother's crew watched gleefully as I struggled unsuccessfully to get the chain on. Kind of embarassing, although none of them could do it either.

No problem with either a chain that had been run even once (or a JG which I used to run), or with a 7 tooth which is what I run now anyway. But in 32 inch, I run 104 dl on my 395 and 105 on my 066.

 

[Cut4fun]

Thanks 04, I got the 30" under stuff covered. I should have said 32"-44" sprocket tip 3/8 bars.

Thanks Lake I might go that route and get a ES 404 and change the tip.

 

[Cedarkerf]

The dealer said some of their customers that run 3/8 on very long bars (partly because it's cheaper) run the Oregon C/JLX which is slightly wider than Stihl 3/8. I don't know if I can bring myself to do that, as I think the Stihl teeth hold an edge noticeably better, especially square. (I have a few loops of CLX for a 28 inch bar that I tried because I was curious.)

Is that what they call dura pro. Tried some 3/8 .063 32" on the 066 noticed a definate loss of speed. I will stick with Stihl chain also.

 

[maccall]

you can get the Stihl ES 3002 bars - out here in the PNW area, we can only get 404 in the longer lengths, but the sprocket tip can be replaced with a 3/8 size.

Is the tip the only difference then? Isn't the bar in itself of different thickness between the .404 and the 3/8?

 

[Cut4fun]

Is the tip the only difference then? Isn't the bar in itself of different thickness between the .404 and the 3/8?

.063 is .063 on both.

 

[maccall]

.063 is .063 on both.

Yeah, I kind of get that, but that's on the "inside" of the bar, I was referring to the outside. But never mind, I was just out measuring my bars, and at least .325 and 3/8 seems to be the same (5 mm), so I'll guess .404 could be the same too.

 

[B_Turner]

The Stihl catalog says:
36" - 114
42" - 135

Just like the small mount bars. I don't see a 32" bar in a 3002 mount. I'm sure with research you could find the info on cannon. Stihl's the only info I have though.

I got a 36 inch bar (3/8 nose) for my 880 today,and I just found time to see if my other chains fit. It is more than 1.5 inches longer than my other 36 inch Husky and Stihl bars (as well as a nose) and is going to take a longer chain than my other saws, bummer. I don't need that size enough on the 880 to justify the 36, just thought it would be convenient for noodling, etc. I tried to do my homework, but somehow got off on dl count. Had I known, I wouldn't have bought that size of bar for the 880.

In 42 inch, the dl were the same between all 4 saws (066, 395, 3120, 880), 135 dl. In 50 inch, also the same between the 880 (3002) and the big husky mount. But for some reason, what Stihl calls 36 on the 880 mount is much longer than the others. Buggers.

So either I have another pretty (ES) bar in my collection or I have to spin up yet another set of chain lengths, which I am reluctant to do. That would make 12 different sets of chains for me to stock.

 

[Lakeside53]

It's just another hook to hang them on... the 3002 bars are quite different from the 3003

Would a STIHL tip help?

 

[B_Turner]

It's just another hook to hang them on... the 3002 bars are quite different from the 3003

Would a STIHL tip help?

Is is a stihl ES bar that comes .404 tip and they swapped a black nose that looks like a Stihl nose. Looks cool with the black tip with white body, same as the 41 inch ES bar I bought for the 880 which is the typical 135 dl.

I had thought the Stihl info sheets listed this 36 inch bar for the 880 as 114, so that was my plan.

 

[2dogs]

It's just another hook to hang them on... the 3002 bars are quite different from the 3003

Would a STIHL tip help?

What are the differences?

 

[B_Turner]

The Stihl catalog says:
36" - 114
42" - 135

Just like the small mount bars. I don't see a 32" bar in a 3002 mount. I'm sure with research you could find the info on cannon. Stihl's the only info I have though.

In digging around just now (should have done it earlier) I see that the 42 is the same all around in terms of dl, but in 36 the 3002 mount is speced for 108 dl in .404 while the smaller Stihl and the Husky mount is speced for 104 dl in .404 (which is 114 in 3/8).

So how many 3/8 dls is equivalent to 108 in .404? Around 119?

 

[Lakeside53]

So in digging around just now (should have done it earlier) I see that the 42 is the same all around in terms of dl, but in 36 the 3002 mount is speced for 108 dl in .404 while the smaller Stihl and the Husky mount is speced for 104 dl in .404 (which is 114 in 3/8).

So how many 3/8 dls is equivalent to 108 in .404? Around 119?

tough math... close to (0.404/0.375)*108?

Here's the list (stihl tip)...

 

[B_Turner]

tough math... close to (0.404/0.375)*108?

I was using sloppy guessing. 104 is 114, and 108 is four bigger, but each .404 is bigger so I added one for good measure to the guess.

114 + 4 + 1 extra=119

Edit: I got out my old HP from my distand calculus days, and using your formula it says 116. That doesn't make sense to me.