Coalsmoke
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Just thought I'd see if anyone has a somewhat recent pricelist from Baker and knows what their 3638G is going for?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
Does anyone know the price of the new(ish) Baker 3638G mill?
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Baker 3638G
The Baker 3638G list price is $26,500 and $28,400 with a debarker. They will not put set works on this mill so that is the only real option available. If you call them they will send a video and give you a list of mills near you or phone #'s of people with that mill. My neighbor bought the first one they ever built. He had it for 2 months before he went to a show and saw the 3665D operate. He traded the 3638G in and bought the 3665D with the cummins, debarker and set works. I would love to own either mill. The list price on the 3665D is $41,900 with no options by the way.
The Baker 3638G list price is $26,500 and $28,400 with a debarker. They will not put set works on this mill so that is the only real option available. If you call them they will send a video and give you a list of mills near you or phone #'s of people with that mill. My neighbor bought the first one they ever built. He had it for 2 months before he went to a show and saw the 3665D operate. He traded the 3638G in and bought the 3665D with the cummins, debarker and set works. I would love to own either mill. The list price on the 3665D is $41,900 with no options by the way.
TraditionalTool
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Speaking of Baker, does anyone know how much the smaller 18HD sells for?
The 3638 is too expensive for my blood at this time...
The 3638 is too expensive for my blood at this time...
Ted J
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If I remember right the base price is $10,800.
log master
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model 18
That's right the 18D is $10,800 and another $1,600 for the power head option.
The 18M with the removable axle is $8,900, but it has a 2 piece track that's 2x4 tube instead of the 2x6 tube on the 18D.
That's right the 18D is $10,800 and another $1,600 for the power head option.
The 18M with the removable axle is $8,900, but it has a 2 piece track that's 2x4 tube instead of the 2x6 tube on the 18D.
Coalsmoke
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Thank you for the numbers. Those Bakers are more affordable than I would have thought. I'm just working up a revision to the business plan, looking at options, one of them being the WM LT40 super, but that big diesel Baker looks like it would eat a 40 for breakfast.
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I saw the baker first and seeing a WM LT40 super made me laugh out loud. It is so impressive compared to the cantilever. The 4 post head is like 3x3 tube. They will set the mill to run on 1 1/4, 1 1/2, or 2 inch blades. My neighbor has it set up for 1 1/4 blades because he likes the price of the cheaper blades. If you talk to anyone at baker though they will tell you the mill cuts much better with 1 1/2 blades. Have you looked at the logmaster LM4. It weighs 1,000 lbs more, has more hp (85 hp cummins), and is cheaper than the Baker. Also it comes with a simple photo electric setworks included. There is a 90 day wait for them to build it, but I think it would be worth it.
Coalsmoke
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No I haven't but I will look into them now that you mentioned it. Thank you. I don't have a problem with the cantilevered head if its works as its supposed to, but I watched a 28 and a lt40 run and the 28 with the newer head design was a wobbler, the 40 was good though, much more solid. What concerns me is that I hear that the lt70 has the same head design as the 28 and the same issue.
TraditionalTool
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Thanks Ted, seems they are just a bit more than the Cooks MP-32. Both look kinda similar to me.
The Cooks MP-32 uses 3x6 tubing. I have only looked at the Baker 18HD briefly, it looks stout enough, though.
TraditionalTool
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One thing to remember is that there are a lot of satisfied owners of Woodmizer saws out there, and they seem to accepted as being about minimal in quality to look for.
I was looking for a used LT-15, it has a semi-cantilever head, but people cut tons of great wood on them.
When you say "wobbler", did it actually leave a non-straight cut? Or was it just that if you wanted to lean on the head you could make it move? Curious, since the LT-28 is a similar setup as the LT-40, AFAIK. In a way the Woodmizers have set the standards.
Somewhere, there was an LT-28 owner that was really happy with his saw. Could have been over on another forum before the Grandmother that runs it banned me for having my own opinions that were different from hers.
BTW, have you looked at the Cooks AC36?
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Coalsmoke
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The 28 and 40 have different head structures in my opinion. Not saying the 28 is a bad mill, just very surprised how much the new ones bounce.
Th Cooks AC3651 looks like a nice machine, but after looking at the specs of a Logmaster LM4, I'd really like to see one of those in person over a Cooks (sorry Cooks).
Th Cooks AC3651 looks like a nice machine, but after looking at the specs of a Logmaster LM4, I'd really like to see one of those in person over a Cooks (sorry Cooks).
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Coal, no reason to apologize to Cooks, I haven't really checked out the Logmaster too much but was just over there and the LM15 looks like a decent alternative for me as well. It has 30" wheels on it which sounds nice, the Cooks MP-32 only has 19" wheels. The LM1 is similar to the MP-32 as it has 19" wheels, but the bed is slightly less at 3x3 tubing. Cooks uses 3x6.
BTW, I have NO affiliation with any of these companies, and just a potential customer. I will look into the Logmaster stuff some more, thanks for pointing them out!
TraditionalTool
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I see they have a special on the LM4, get an engine upgrade for free.
I must say, the LM15 does look good for me, and even the LM1 could work.
I just got off the phone with Herman at Logmaster. Their prices are better than Cooks in most regards, and the units look heftier.
(just in case others are interested)
LM1 w/trailer (price INCLUDES shipping)
$6255 - 13HP Generac
$7300 - 25HP Kohler
$8595 - 30HP Kohler
LM1 ground mount version (price INCLUDES shipping)
$4155 - 13HP Generac
$5200 - 25HP Kohler
$6495 - 30HP Kohler
LM15 w/trailer
$11500 - 25HP Kohler
$11900 - 30HP Kohler (just $400 upgrade)
LM16-25J (same headrig/extensions as LM2/LM4/LM5)
$15500 - 25HP Kohler (basically $4k more than the LM15)
log master
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When I talked to Logmaster last summer they sent me a 10% off the purchase of a mill if you pick it up at the factory. Business is business and I would ask them to give me the 10% even though the deal ran out. All the Logmaster mills have the photoelctric set works with 14 presets. It uses a laser and holes in a black board. All their mills have the siding maker built into them also. The LM16-25J uses the same frame as the big mills and you can add hydraulic bed features in the future. Their mills are all clean side cut mills also just like Cooks and Baker. The LM4 is 37.5' long 8.5' wide 11.5' tall and weighs 7500lbs! The Logmaster edger weighs more than an LT40. When I build something if I have the choice between 1/4 and 3/8 I use 1/2 plate, but that's just me.
Coalsmoke
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This is a tough industry, it is tough on men and equipment. I used to work for a company running a saw and then later an excavator in a forestry environment and it is amazing what will break thanks to the weight of wood.
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Have you looked at the Turner mill? It's not really in the same category as a Logmaster, but it is very innovative. Think of it like what you would build if you wanted to keep it simple. It uses tires to drive the band and all off the shelf parts. It gets hard to justify a big mill when the fully hydraulic Turner is $14,500. It's super simple, but since I feel like I could build one myself That doesn't bother me. My first mill was a Norwood and I learned a lot with it, but now I am ready for something hydraulic. I guess you have to ask yourself do you want to make boards or payments? I would love to saw full time, but would much rather spend my days on the farm with my kids.
TraditionalTool
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I certainly can't say if that is better or not, I am not very fond of tires for the wheels. On the site it says "more forgiving", but what does that mean? It sounds as if the blade will deflect easier to me. He uses 20" tires. The Logmaster LM15 uses 30" wheels, that seems like a slight edge, but probably requires longer blades but that doesn't cost much more. For a full hydraulic mill, the price is cheap though, I agree with you. The Cooks MP-32 is only $12,587 when fully outfitted with Hydaulics, and the Logmaster seems like the prices are lower than Cooks.
Are you looking to sell your Norwood?
Coalsmoke
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T.Tool, I will say this, when it comes to bandmills, precision matters. You will be kicking yourself if you have to deal with something that is cobbled together or is of poor design.
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Coalsmoke
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I mean this in every aspect of the mill. Whether the bed sags under a 4500lb log, or the blade tracking system sucks, or the band wheels are untrue, etc etc. Band mills work under close tolerances. From the set in the blade, to the saw assembly to the carriage and bed assembly, it all counts. Any one major design flaw is enough to discount a machine from a potential lineup of choices.
As for using tires in place of proper band wheels, I think its a poor idea.
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