Echo CS-4400 help

[buildmyown]

A co-worker had his son straight gas his CS-4400 not bad he caught it quick ive seen and fixed worse.

I have the saw to fix if its worth it. Right now I have the whole saw just about torn down except for the life of me i cant fiqure out how to get the jug off. Well I shouldnt say that I think I know but want to make sure. I have the 4 allen bolts that you can get from the top out but it looks like there are also 4 bolts that hold the jug on from the bottom. I think I have to pull the clutch and slide the whole motor out of the case to get those 4 bolts. Any help on that would be great. If so is there a special spanner wrench to get the clutch off or another trick?

A) Are there any online sites that show a parts brake down of this saw?

B)Good online site for parts looking at a piston rings and probally a jug?

C)Whats this saw worth and what would be an equal saw to it today? I want to make sure its worth fixing and just not replacing.

 

[blackoak]

Try the Echo USA site . I think they have on line IPL. I may be wrong but I was thinking that the 4 allen bolts are the only ones holding the cylinder on, but it's been a while since I worked on a 4400. http://www.echo-usa.com/ click on the support-help tab

 

[o8f150]

that engine is a clam shell,,,the engine has to come completely out,,turn it over and take the 4 allen scews out,,then pull the cap off and then it will come apart

 

[buildmyown]

So are you saying the clutch does have to come off to get the motor out? If so how does the clutch come off. I have the whole saw broken down all im left with is the plastic body oil tank coil clutch and flywheel. I can wiggle the jug and thats about it.

Sory im a little lost on this one.

 

[Chris J.]

Study the IPL long enough, & you'll see that you have to unbolt it from the bottom. It took me forever to figure it out on my CS-440 (never did receive a service manual, even after asking here many times ).

FWIW, I'm needing basically the parts you listed, and my 440 is still in pieces because new OEM Echo parts are expensive, especially for repairing a saw that can be replaced for the same or less money. Finding good used parts didn't work out so well either.

EDIT--I took the 440 nearly completely apart. I might have done so unnecessarily, but I usually try to avoid that when possible.

 

[buildmyown]

This is where im at if you can point out the bolts on the bottom please do. I see no way of getting at the 4 bolts without taking the whole thing out. Which means that the clutch does need to come off do i need a special tool or will a brass drift and hammer do? Im going to assume that its a left hand thread like others I have worked on.

and the bottome of the saw.

 

[Chris J.]

I just lost my :censored:ing post, in which I took the time to add five images. This is a bunch of :censored:ed :censored:!

Oh well. I'll try again.


If I can get the clutch & flywheel off without screwing them up, anybody can. I stuffed a rope in the top of the cylinder, and didn't use any special removal tools.

If the images don't post this time I give up.

 

[mountainlake]

You don't need to take the flywheel off, I think the coil has to come off. Not the approved method but I just use a bigger sized punch and give the clutch a good rap or two with a hammer. Keep in mind that the clutch the clutch has left handed threads so you need to turn it clockwise as your facing it. Also you need to pull the oil pump , before the pump comes off there's a washer that comes off hard, thread the clutch bach on about flush with threads then use a brass hammer and tap on the clutch. Support one and of the saw on the workbench and hold the other end so the engine is hanging there. Maybe someone has a better method the get that washer off. Once you do a couple of these saws it's about 10 to 15 minutes to have the motor out. Steve

 

[buildmyown]

Thanks guys I can where this would be a 15min job if you have done it before. Got the motor out today in about 5 min. He is going to get lucky with just a piston jug can be saved. Parts for these saws are expensive. The piston is $60 and the jug is $145.

 

[Chris J.]

Thanks guys I can where this would be a 15min job if you have done it before. Got the motor out today in about 5 min. He is going to get lucky with just a piston jug can be saved. Parts for these saws are expensive. The piston is $60 and the jug is $145.

Unfortunately my jug is toast as well as the piston. Given the large number of saws Echo sells, I was surprised at not being able find a used p&c.

 

[fearofpavement]

Unfortunately my jug is toast as well as the piston. Given the large number of saws Echo sells, I was surprised at not being able find a used p&c.

Not worth fixing at $200 for parts. Buy a used one and save the busted one for parts.

There is a lightly used CS4400 for sale here locally for $125.

 

[Chris J.]

Not worth fixing at $200 for parts. Buy a used one and save the busted one for parts.

There is a lightly used CS4400 for sale here locally for $125.

I agree /\. The 'small' Echo saws don't cost that much to begin with, depending on where you buy them, & don't bring much money used.

A member here kindly offered me a complete CS-440 with one known minor issue for a good price. The problem is--What I paid for mine + what he needs to recoup his cost + shipping = my saw costing about what used CS-440s sell for. But I could have a runner with with a parts saw...............