So today i'm using the 3120xp with a 42" Cannon on it and attacking a 5' Elm from both sides for about an hour and finally get it bucked up (only about 20 feet of the trunk is that size, the rest was cut by someone else) and go to pick up the MS660 and think "#### this thing is a feather", which I never think it is....so everything is relative I guess...:msp_wink:... funny how that works.