Favorite 11mm Rope

[woodchux]

I know that there are alot of threads covering 11mm rope ,but I was wondering what your current favorite was, and what cord you use with it.
I'm looking for a rope to use for Srt And Dbrt. Something that will run smoothly through hardware.

 

[Tree Machine]

An arborist that uses hardware???? Am I hearing this right?

 

[woodchux]

Well I'm tryin to 'branch out'.

I got the petzl shunt and black diamond atc-xp. Lookin at maybe getting a unicender, or gri-gri.

I was thinking about getting some 'FLY' , but someone posted that it didn't run through the shunt very good.

 

[SteveBullman]

fly wont run through a shunt.
what setup are you using with the shunt? i used a shunt for about a year with beal topgun 10.5mm. that runs through real good. i had mine set up much like you would a lockjack, works quite nice if a bit sensitive. probably less so with an 11mm though. have u tried blaze? i bought a hank of blaze but got fed up with the hockling and went back to the fly, though maybe the hockling wouldnt be an issue with a shunt.

 

[Tree Machine]

Fly. Mmmmmm.

These are both clips from New England Ropes' website. I like how thje first sentence of both clips says different things.

 

[SteveBullman]

hows that?

 

[Tree Machine]

One says static, the other says low elongation.

I would think low elongation would be somewhere in between static and dynamic. The blunt point here is is static, or is it not static?

Low elongation I have seen termed semi-static, and that's a good term. Static, semi-static, dynamic. No elongation, low elongation, mo elongation.

I put this out there knowing the answer having climbed on all three types over the years. Fly is a semi-static, verging on dynamic. It's bouncy. It's bigger than 11 mm, but overall, it is a very cool rope. Comes in three colors. I'm climbing on the bright green one right now.

 

[woodchux]

fly wont run through a shunt.
what setup are you using with the shunt? i used a shunt for about a year with beal topgun 10.5mm. that runs through real good. i had mine set up much like you would a lockjack, works quite nice if a bit sensitive. probably less so with an 11mm though. have u tried blaze? i bought a hank of blaze but got fed up with the hockling and went back to the fly, though maybe the hockling wouldnt be an issue with a shunt.

Well I've never used a locjak, so I,m not sure about that setup.
I haven't gotten to use the shunt yet either since I've not yet ordered any 11mm rope.
Basically though I plan to attach it via biner to front D rings. Using in conjunction with a figure 8 above when rappelling.
Or using it as a backup when climbing with ascenders.
Have you used the shunt with the Blaze? If so how did that work out?

 

[SteveBullman]

i havent used it with blaze but id imagine it would work ok. im assuming from little things you're saying that you are planning to use the shunt in the conventional way, which is fine but i dont think it will be a particularly efficient method for tree work. i used to have it set up in ddrt. attached to my harness by a 20cm petzl express sling. this made it a self advancing ddrt setup. However its not an approved use by the manufactures as the shunt can shatter when shockloaded.....this is the arguement most people use against using the shunt in the way i described...my arguement is, if you have enough slack in your clmbing system that a fall could shockload your system then you're not climbing right anyway!

 

[SRT-Tech]

One says static, the other says low elongation.

I would think low elongation would be somewhere in between static and dynamic. The blunt point here is is static, or is it not static?

Low elongation I have seen termed semi-static, and that's a good term. Static, semi-static, dynamic. No elongation, low elongation, mo elongation.

I put this out there knowing the answer having climbed on all three types over the years. Fly is a semi-static, verging on dynamic. It's bouncy. It's bigger than 11 mm, but overall, it is a very cool rope. Comes in three colors. I'm climbing on the bright green one right now.

An example of a semi static line would be the Bluewater Assualt line, favored by our ERT/military/tactical units for tactical ops rappelling. Its has a slight elogation to absrob sudden stops and descender lockoffs, but handls like a full static line for rapping and ascending with hardware.

one of my favorite lines for multi use.

 

[Stumper]

In response to the original query- I like Velocity quite a lot.

Oh ---and I use New England Sta-set or Samson XLS in 5/16ths or 3/8ths for a tress cord

 

[Tree Machine]

Velocity, Mmmmmmm.

 

[jmack]

I know that there are alot of threads covering 11mm rope ,but I was wondering what your current favorite was, and what cord you use with it.
I'm looking for a rope to use for Srt And Dbrt. Something that will run smoothly through hardware.

ultra tech/ dragonfly pi/tenex safelight blaze its all good thru hardware

 

[jmack]

I know that there are alot of threads covering 11mm rope ,but I was wondering what your current favorite was, and what cord you use with it.
I'm looking for a rope to use for Srt And Dbrt. Something that will run smoothly through hardware.

oops whatever you do ..chucks, dont buy velocity hot/ cold whatever it has a coating that is sticky

 

[Tree Machine]

The sticky coating problem was taken care of quite awhile ago. It was an immediate complaint when the rope hit the market. I liked it, personally, but many didn't, so the manufacturer either added less tacky coat, no tacky coat or a less tacky version of it. You could hang on a single line, with ugli gloves, one handed. It was really remarkable. Samson thought they were adding value to the rope with the coating, but what they thought would turn into a market advantage sort of backfired on them. Now they've got guys telling other guys not to buy the current Velocity based on something that used to be.

Even though I like trying out different ropes, I am into my third Velocity and the coating is nothing like the one from a couple years ago. It is an exceptional rope.

 

[woodchux]

What do yall think about using 7/16" samson static kermantle?

 

[Stumper]

Woodchux. The static kernmantle is absolutely wonderful for SRT use with mechanical ascenders. The handling really stinks when you want to go basic Ddrt and tie a hitch with the tail.-The stuff is too stiff for some of our traditional applications.

 

[NickfromWI]

Blaze is my dream rope. Time to get me a new hank, now that I think about it.

love
nick

 

[SteveBullman]

i just sold mine nick, couldnt get over the hockling problem for some reason. i just bought some velocity. eager to try it out, felt quite good when i climbed on it at the show

 

[woodchux]

i just bought some velocity. eager to try it out, felt quite good when i climbed on it at the show

Let me know how good that velocity works with the shunt.