Felling "Maple" trees - Special techniques?

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I read in a white paper ("Felling and Bucking Techniques for Woodland Owners" by Oregon State University Extension Service) that certain trees like Maple can have "brittle-heartwood" and may require the attention of an experienced cutter.

So... Are Maple trees felled differently than other types of trees because they have "brittle-heartwood"?

How about small young maple trees as opposed to large old maple trees?
 
Well, here's the only thing I know. If they are small and dead or maybe even bigger and dead, they are likely to sit back. I was cutting only 4 small ones.
I did beautiful undercuts and three went close to where I wanted them to go.
The fourth one sat back. I got the saw out and was going to make another attempt above the cut, and a guy runs up (a friend) grabs the saw and starts yelling that I have to make a cut above the cut and he did it. He told I'd judged the lean wrong. I didn't think I did. And he sent it in the direction I planned.

The next day, I asked fallers about it, and the first thing they said was that with maples, you gotta be careful cuz they'll sit back. They proceeded to explain how sometimes you make the backcut first and insert a wedge then make the undercut. I haven't tried it since. But I told my friend what I learned and he kind of apologized.
 
The holding wood sucks on maples. It is brittle, you cannot make them go to far from thier natural lean when falling. They also suck to climb for this reason. Its like Snap!, its over. The are great for firewood or furniture though.
 
The holding wood sucks on maples. It is brittle, you cannot make them go to far from thier natural lean when falling. They also suck to climb for this reason. Its like Snap!, its over. The are great for firewood or furniture though.

And we must save them because they provide habitat for some kind of slug. :)
 
same cut as any other tree, i've never had much problem with any in our area, either hard maple or soft, alot of our northern hard maple is hollow in the center, typical 18-24" dbh, this isn't a very good picture of the end of a log, its a black maple
 
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I've found Soft or Silver Maple pretty easy to work with. Many people have big ones in their yards around here and it makes up the majority of our tree work. Hard or Sugar Maple on the other hand is a little different. It doesn't hold a hinge as long and will definitely break earlier. If it's a little dead it won't hold together much at all. Adjust accordingly.

Like Woodfarmer said, it is common for the heartwood to be rotted out of mature Hardmaple.
 
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Big westen broadleaf maple can be bad to fall. If its big, its probably half rotten as well as brash, will barber chair, or even explode into pieces 'specially if there's heavy limbs and weak crotches.

Here's how I do the biggest ugliest of them, and its a method that's relative safe if you're competent faller.


Wrap a 3/8 chain around the tree three feet above where you plan to cut your face and back cut. Make sure you use a grab hook on the chain and cinch it as tightly as you can. Wrap your surplus chain around the tree and secure it so it doesn't dangle in your way.

Face the tree in the exact or very very slightly quarterd away from direct lean. Generouus face, cut cleanly with no dutchman.

Line up squarely, do not dog the saw in...cut fast but don't bog the saw...keep right on cutting when it starts popping...cut up close and then pull the saw and make your escape.

The chain will stop the tree from ripping.
 
Correction, go as high as you can reach, with a min. of 3' above your saw cuts.

from a story i heard you want might want to make sure its above head height.

story goes something like guy wrapped the chain and started making his cuts. on the backcut the tree exploded on the stump and blew the chain off. in the process of the chain breaking and swinging it popped the guy in the mouth breaking apart his jaw. as he falls unconscious to the ground he falls into the path of said tree which of course landed right on top of the cutter. lucky for this guy it was early spring and the ground was soft enough for the tree to not crush him completely to death. they ended up cutting the log and rolling it off him. he lived. a little banged up though.

the guy who told me the story (his coworker who saw it happen) wont use a chain for that application based upon what he saw that day. trucker straps for him now. he said the chain snapped at a link and not at the hooks.

rough, our world.
 
Wow! That'd wreck your day. Was he using hi tensile 3/8" chain?

Yes, our job can be bit dangerous, its a lot like bull fighting, you can only get so far from the action.
 
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My experience with Maple has been in Western Oregon primarily and it sure does seem to me like they want to dry out faster inside (drought sensitive) than most other trees. I'm saying that because they do seem brittle at those times.

Some wood products specialists might have an opinion about this.

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You definitely want to split it green.
 
Wow! That'd wreck your day. Was he using hi tensile 3/8" chain?

Yes, our job can be bit dangerous, its a lot like bull fighting, you can only get so far from the action.



it was a 3/8 logging chain and i asked him today if i got the story right. it did bust a hook and then on the swing from the break a link gave out.


that bullfighting reference is great. lol
 
I'm wondering what kind of maple these western guys are talking about...

You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm not really crazy about cutting hard maple because they do seem to be hollow more often than an oak or ash, but I've never really seen a difference in cutting a Maple over any other tree (actually I really like soft maple).
 
I have not noticed any difference cutting maple from any other tree. I like cutting soft maple the footage ads up in a hurry. Hard maple isnt bad either except if there big old junkers with big hearts the wood can be vary hard compared with trees with small hearts
 
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Here's from a Canadian Tree Book.
Bigleaf maple
Acer macrophyllum

The largest maple in Canada, reaching heights of 36 metres. When it grows in the forest, it develops a narrow crown that is supported by a stem free of branches for half its length. Those growing in the open have a broad crown which is supported by a few large, spreading limbs.




Leaves
Leaves are deeply five-lobed and are the largest of any maple in Canada, measuring 15 to 30 centimetres across. They have only a few bluntish, wavy teeth; are shiny, dark green on top and paler underneath; and turn yellow in the fall. The leaf stalk sometimes oozes a milky substance when it is broken. Twigs and leaves emerge as pairs.

Flowers
Small greenish-yellow flowers, about 3 millimetres across, appear early in spring, hanging in clusters at the ends of twigs.
Fruit
The fruit consists of two winged seeds joined at the base. Seeds are hairy, 3 to 6 centimetres long.


Bark
Greyish-brown, shallowly grooved when older.
Where to find bigleaf maple
It is restricted to the southwest corner of British Columbia at low to mid elevations.


Habitat
Bigleaf maple generally grows on coarse, gravelly, moist soils, such as those found near river, lake, or stream edges, but it can occur on other moist soils such as seepage areas. It commonly occurs in mixed groups of trees with red alder, black cottonwood, Douglas-fir, western redcedar, and western hemlock.
Squirrels, grosbeaks, and mice eat the seeds of bigleaf maples, and deer and elk eat the twigs.


Uses
Coastal peoples used bigleaf maple wood to make dishes, pipes and hooks for clothing. Many groups who made paddles out of the wood called it the paddle tree. They used the inner bark to make baskets, rope and whisks for whipping soopolalie berries.
In the Interior, aboriginal people ate the young shoots raw in the spring. They also made a type of maple syrup, but because the sap has a low sugar content, it takes a large quantity of sap to make a small amount of syrup.

Because of its close grain and moderate hardness, maple wood is used commercially for furniture, interior finishing, and musical instruments.


Notes
Maple flowers are quite sweet and edible and can be used in salads.
Bigleaf maple trees are often draped in mosses, because the bark is rich in calcium and moisture, adding to the attractive wet rainforest plant community.


I shall have to sample the flowers next Spring. I think we have a death penalty too, but I'm not sure. We used to prior to my going away in Exile.

There's also the much hated Vine Maple. You have to keep an eye out for it while limbing. It'll get you if you don't.
 
Slowp,
Vine maple makes the best smoker wood. Can't beat it for flavor and it burns when green slowly. I cut some for the smoker every year.
 
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