Finally Found a Reasonably Price 064 - Now What???

[bulletpruf]

This popped up on FB MP for $600 then dropped to $450. I picked it up for $400. Have wanted one for quite some time now to fill the gap between the 044 and the 075.

S/N appears to be 123965831.

Anyway, it's a runner. Saw has seen some use, but tank looks good and the case doesn't have any damage. Handle and muffler cover appear to be the only non-OEM bits.

Now I have to figure out what to do. My normal course of action on a new-to-me saw is to install fuel line, impulse, fuel filter, air filter, compression test, lube clutch bearing, pull the flywheel and clean ignition bits, and rebuilt the carb. If compression is on the low side, it gets rings and prolly a BG delete while I'm at it. I'll probably do a muffler mod of sorts, too.

Once I've gone through it, I think I have a nearly new 28" Tsmura bar some some 3/8" chain for it.

What did I miss? Also, what's the deal with the big bore kits for these?

 

[ballisticdoughnut]

Don’t even bother with a big bore kit keep it all OEM. Holds more value that way. I don’t understand people who say they can’t afford a “real deal” husky or Stihl but they seem to have the money to buy several clone saws. Anyway, mini rant over. You seem to be on the right track to having a nice reliable old school saw. Only things I’d add to that list are crank seals and maybe clutch springs if it needs them. If your gonna go through it anyway that’s cheap insurance.

 

[Bob Hedgecutter]

See me. I would always be a bit dubious of a saw with the aftermarket muffler and half wrap..... what else was "economised" on?
If all the rubber components were- I would be dubious of their longevity- especially with the funny gas you guys are cursed with.
Might be a Stihl cylinder- but what kind of piston is inside it?

I see it is a red lever master control..... they go faster!
Forget the big bore kits- many so called big bores are overbores of poorly ported copycat cylinders and produce less power for 2 more mm's of bore.
In its day it was about the best power for weight saw out there.
So for a muffler mod- can you guys simply not order/get the stock dual port front for these? They go good with them fitted and saw tuned to suit.

 

[bulletpruf]

Don’t even bother with a big bore kit keep it all OEM. Holds more value that way. I don’t understand people who say they can’t afford a “real deal” husky or Stihl but they seem to have the money to buy several clone saws. Anyway, mini rant over. You seem to be on the right track to having a nice reliable old school saw. Only things I’d add to that list are crank seals and maybe clutch springs if it needs them. If your gonna go through it anyway that’s cheap insurance.

Crank seals are indeed good insurance, but I rarely see them go bad. It'll get clutch springs or a new clutch if needed.

Thanks

 

[bulletpruf]

See me. I would always be a bit dubious of a saw with the aftermarket muffler and half wrap..... what else was "economised" on?
If all the rubber components were- I would be dubious of their longevity- especially with the funny gas you guys are cursed with.
Might be a Stihl cylinder- but what kind of piston is inside it?

I see it is a red lever master control..... they go faster!
Forget the big bore kits- many so called big bores are overbores of poorly ported copycat cylinders and produce less power for 2 more mm's of bore.
In its day it was about the best power for weight saw out there.
So for a muffler mod- can you guys simply not order/get the stock dual port front for these? They go good with them fitted and saw tuned to suit.

The seller is a chainsaw guy. Former collector who has mainly user saws now. He represented it as all OEM except for those two items, but I need to verify.

I agree on the power to weight -- aren't they about the same weight as an 046 but 8cc larger engine?

I'll have to research muffler options, but if it's a dual port, I generally hog out the inner bits and add a third port.

 

[Bob Hedgecutter]

Dual port by adding the originally offered front cover with a post built in (including spark arrestor screen) is all they need- a third port and you might as well just delete the muffler.

If the guy is genuine and close to home, you probably have no reason to doubt him.
Over here it is more buy a saw that looks good- was advertised as factory, has to be shipped and when it arrives it is full of cheap aftermarket bits kind of thing I get worried about. Hopefully there are still people in this world where their word is truthful and you found one of them.
I have one from the same era (red master control)- recently built from several wrecks- but I had to go Meteor top end as none of the cylinder I had were savable- still a good saw.
They are lighter than an 066, but with near the same ability.

 

[bulletpruf]

Dual port by adding the originally offered front cover with a post built in (including spark arrestor screen) is all they need- a third port and you might as well just delete the muffler.

If the guy is genuine and close to home, you probably have no reason to doubt him.
Over here it is more buy a saw that looks good- was advertised as factory, has to be shipped and when it arrives it is full of cheap aftermarket bits kind of thing I get worried about. Hopefully there are still people in this world where their word is truthful and you found one of them.
I have one from the same era (red master control)- recently built from several wrecks- but I had to go Meteor top end as not of the cylinder I had were savable- still a good saw.
They are lighter than an 066, but with near the same ability.

Saw was purchased in person.

I'll take a look at the current muffler setup this weekend and go from there.

Thanks

 

[Bob Hedgecutter]

Stihl dual port muffler fronts.
066 on left- 064 on right as viewed.

 

[bulletpruf]

Time to start sourcing some NOS/OEM bits for it. Looks like a decent selection of what I need on eBay.

Thanks

 

[pioneerguy600]

An OEM 066 cylinder makes the best big bore option for the 064, mine performs very nicely but cannot be compared to my built 066 flatop, short case ported and muffler modded knucklebuster.

 

[Bob Hedgecutter]

An OEM 066 cylinder makes the best big bore option for the 064, mine performs very nicely but cannot be compared to my built 066 flatop, short case ported and muffler modded knucklebuster.

Thats the same as my 066- but mine isnt ported, yet still mean enough if you take it for granted.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Thats the same as my 066- but mine isnt ported, yet still mean enough if you take it for granted.

One of its attributes is that no one else will ask to run it, especially if they have to start it...LOL

 

[bulletpruf]

I had an 066 without a decomp; wasn't difficult to start -- nowhere near as bad as the Stihl Contra S (137cc) with no decomp...

 

[Bill G]

One of its attributes is that no one else will ask to run it, especially if they have to start it...LOL

They are tough on the arm/shoulder

 

[Bill G]

I had an 066 without a decomp; wasn't difficult to start -- nowhere near as bad as the Stihl Contra S (137cc) with no decomp...

The 137cc Contras I have had all have decomps but they are no where near original

 

[bulletpruf]

The 137cc Contras I have had all have decomps but they are no where near original

Yep. All 090’s and 070’s came with decomp but none of the Confra/Lightnings did.

 

[stihltech]

Pressure and vacuum test before you run it. Cheaper than the piston and cylinder. It is 20 to 30 years old. Why take a chance?
OOps, sorry, I do this for a living and I like working on 064s. Never mind.

 

[pioneerguy600]

They are tough on the arm/shoulder

The one I posted about is much worse than the other two I have here, it was a special build I did many moons ago, I know the module is a big part of the problem as it will fire too early, lately and take the pull handle right out of a clenched fist. I drop start all saws and this one is a challenge, it has broken 2 brand new Elastostart pull handle cord setups and will continue to be a hard starter until I change that module out, I have spares but also like the way it runs when it is started and running, it will eat my other 066`s and ported 064 for lunch and spit the hard to digest parts out the dual port. I actually like the challenge of starting it and there is not one other cutter around me that would ask to use it, I have even made the offer and always get declined immediately with many expletives added. I also own and use 090 and 070 with a ContrsS thrown in for extra beans so I know there are other saws that start easier or harder.

 

[bulletpruf]

Spent a few minutes checking it out today.

Piston is minty.

Compression is 150.

Muffler has a single port on the PTO side.

 

[ZeroJunk]

I really don't understand this replacing stuff on a saw before you even run it.
And, if it takes you more than about 10 seconds to tell whether a saw has any serious issues you should take up knitting.