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To all new climbers or ones who are thinking about learning to climb. Find a mentor. I can't stress this enough. Having a person on site while you are climbing, who can answer your questions, point out specific traps to watch for, introduce "tricks of the trade" is absolutely invaluable. And not all of us have the money or the opportunity to go to one of the "schools". The mentor should be a tree climber, meaning a production worker. Knowing how to climb is important; knowing how to use the saws in the tree while you are climbing is equally so.

I am fortunate in that I have a live-in mentor and so every time I am up a tree, which isn't often, I have someone who can answer a question on the spot. There are so many situations that come up that books or lectures simply cannot address every single one or the variations on a theme that present themselves.

Even better is to be able to spend time with that person up the tree with you. You can only learn so much from reading about it; at some time you have to go up the tree and feel it.

A point that I have been told, but was illustrated to me, was the other day when I had a lesson on the Lockjack. (I call all my climbs "lessons" because I am not proficient enough to be called a "climber".) On the way down, near the ground, I sampled a "free swing" that might occur spontaneously within a canopy. The first thing I noticed right off the bat is the tendency to want to "grab" something. This can be fatal in the fact if you grab your hitch, whichever kind you use, you can end in a free fall to the ground.

From years of riding horses, my body knows that tensing up and "grabbing the reins" in a bad situation makes things a whole lot worse. So muscle memory went with the "controlled, isolated grip". (Anyone who rides knows what I am talking about.)

What this illustrated to me, though, was the fact that you can be told over and over again NOT to grab, but your body is going to WANT to until you TEACH it not to. How do you do that? Practice and experience. Put yourself in practice situations where you have control and teach your body to automatically respond safely.

Sylvia
 
You make a very good point. I have always had my mentor with me, well 90% of the time. It keeps things moving smooth on the ground and in the air to have more sets of trained eyes and minds calculating and mitigating risks.

It's all good until your mentor cuts your brand new climbing line :censored:! Lol.

Really though, I don't know how these guys that try to learn soley by themselves end up turning out. There is something to be said for learning on your own, but it can be a high or ultimate price to pay in this line of work.
 
S Mc Very good point! I called this guy every spring to ask if he needed a climber. Finally the third year he says " Who'd you work for" I says " Everyone but you so when you goin to give me a chance" It a couple days finally I got to climb. The guy he was using was a hack (see my reply to what is your def of a hack? thread. It was a crane job that I set up for him at a large camping resort. 2 poplars about 70footers. The hack did the first then I asked to do the second. The wind was intense and the clouds went black and started to hail. I still went up and did the tree. Was lookin down at the trunk and saw the whole tree flexing in the wind. Got down and He came over to me and patted me on the back and said "Good Job Rick". I said "that means alot coming from you!"
 
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Ricky, I am glad everything turned out ok on that job. However, I don't see this as a good illustration of mentorship.

You evidently had experience on your side, I don't know who taught you; but if this was the first time this employer saw you work and went ahead in the conditions you detailed, I am unimpressed with him.

This is the problem in our industry, the lack of qualified training and the evident need to "get the job done at all costs". Unfortunately, sometimes that cost is life or limb.

Just being glad to survive the day is very similar to the philosophy of "well, at least they didn't kill the tree". It is much more than that.

An experienced mentor will be able to coach you in how to walk up to a job, gauge it, set it up and KNOW you are going to walk away with a job well done. And this is also where you might have had the perfect opportunity to become a mentor to the "hack", by helping him to learn better/proper techniques. Granted that is always a delicate issue with co-workers but diplomatic information and positive role modeling can go along way.

Sylvia
 
...It keeps things moving smooth on the ground and in the air to have more sets of trained eyes and minds calculating and mitigating risks.

OMG, there are SOOO many times when we call out "how does it look from over there". An experienced set of eyes on the ground is invaluable.

It's all good until your mentor cuts your brand new climbing line :censored:! Lol.

This refers to another thread where you revealed the untimely demise of a brand new line, right? It shows even the pros can make mistakes. Even after 25 years of being David's ground crew, if he sees me heading out to the brush on the ground with a chainsaw I still get the "watch out for my rope!!" :hmm3grin2orange:

So far, so good...but its early days yet.

Sylvia
 
S Mc Very good point! I called this guy every spring to ask if he needed a climber. Finally the third year he says " Who'd you work for" I says " Everyone but you so when you goin to give me a chance" It a couple days finally I got to climb. The guy he was using was a hack (see my reply to what is your def of a hack? thread. It was a crane job that I set up for him at a large camping resort. 2 poplars about 70footers. The hack did the first then I asked to do the second. The wind was intense and the clouds went black and started to hail. I still went up and did the tree. Was lookin down at the trunk and saw the whole tree flexing in the wind. Got down and He came over to me and patted me on the back and said "Good Job Rick". I said "that means alot coming from you!"

Rickytree, I know you weren't asking for it but here it is anyway: attaboy! I know as well as you do, that if you felt your life was in jeopardy you would not have been up there in the first place, or you would have come down the moment you felt uncomfortable. Nice work man. Seems like today lots of folks use any excuse they can to get out of working ie. snow, rain, sleet, wind.
-Chad
 
OMG, there are SOOO many times when we call out "how does it look from over there". An experienced set of eyes on the ground is invaluable.



This refers to another thread where you revealed the untimely demise of a brand new line, right? It shows even the pros can make mistakes. Even after 25 years of being David's ground crew, if he sees me heading out to the brush on the ground with a chainsaw I still get the "watch out for my rope!!" :hmm3grin2orange:

So far, so good...but its early days yet.

Sylvia

Yeah that was my Tachyon thread bit. The old 35 year pro hacked er' in half like it was his first day on the job. Such is the life cycle, for men and ropes, lol.
 
S MC Thanks for your comment. Informative yet caring. As for the hack. This is truely a old dog that won't learn new tricks or even tidbits of info. Although the conditions were poor the show had to go on. I find these experiences challenging and part of a learning situation. Rngrchad thanks. as for people getting out of working I know of that first hand. It's terrible the amount of people on welfare or disability here in Canada. Honestly we have people on disability for being extreemely lazy.
 
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