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I was in Fl. for a wk and a half and I swear I spent more time checking out all the trees and landscapes than anything else, I must have a sickness:p Last time I was there 5 years ago I wasn't nearly into this stuff like now, even though I've been doing this for about 12 yrs now.
I have about a million questions for you guys but will start with a couple for now.
Have you guys seen the machines they use for shearing the orange groves? Theres a guy that lives near my dad that contracts to shear them w/ these big freakin choppers, looks like they do 3 sides at once? I didn't get to check them out up close or in action but saw some of the end result, those trees look just like hedges. Can't be good for them huh? I guess just like hedges you're only trimming smaller tips and they heal fast?

Do you guys get calls to clean moss off the trees, air plants, how about coconuts? My dad has some pretty big live oaks , I think the moss looks pretty cool but there are so many airplants growing up the trunks it looks like it would be a pain to climb and slippery! Sorta like climbing on ivy here. Lot of coconut trees growing right over parking lots, driveways, sidewalks, serious liability. Gotta be a good sales approach there and repeat business, no?
 
Well; we see the U-shaped machines going down the groves; making them all perfectly manageable hedges. In fact sometimes it makes selling 'no-topping/tipping' a little difficult for these groves do look good; and are pro-ductive! Wee just have to point out that the citrus trees are like cattle; con-stantly managed, and not everything done for their own good; but rather for the good and ease of their keepers and harvesters. These machines are massive; and give a very unic(?) view; into man's creativity and orchestration of machinery. i am not sure if it is all to keep them uni-formally shaped and low; or if they help in forcing the fruitng in sum weigh.

The green mossy various growths on trunks and limbs; especially on ancient live oaks; can make climbing quite a slippery challenge; especially with a light layer of dew in the morning etc. Really it can be as bad as it's cousin of seaweed on a slick rock; especially as wee have evolved to not (ab)use gaffs on such magnificient giants! Also you must watch your rigging; and git a double grag; perhaps with dogging (good idea anyway) on slick, smooth cylinders! This moss usually indicates all kinds of active, abundant life being supported (in this tropical region) on that particular tree; so there is even more to look out for!

The 'air' plants; that wee call moss come in 2 varieties in my area. We half hanging moss and ball moss. Some of this we fight. All these mosses seem to favour 'Loiusiana swamp' conditions of : dark, moist, cool and still air. They find all these conditions low and inside the tree's umbrella generally. When fighting these we take out the starved branches; favorite hanging places, open air and light flow to make less habital as wee bulk it out. A lot of naturallists weep if you touch these; saying they are harmless. There is a copper based spray; that stains white to green (cars, homes, concrete) and leaves what it kills hanging stiff and black.

The hanging moss (where i get my Louisiana swamp visualization); seems realtively benign until its numbers start engulfing limbs; starving it of all light and harboring all kinds of insect nasties; including those that sting, bit and overpower! Its shear weight can snap a branch that it has weakenned; especially when it is holding gallons of rain! A lot of people after a while find it unsightly as well. It clogs saws, gets in friction hitches :mad: ; but can be nice for stuffing in a cut to keep pine sap off your rope and gear; as the warmer it is the more it flows (so we don't cut pine logs before lunch and move them later!)! They used to use it for seat batting over springs in cars; and in some junk yards can indeed be seen there! It has some florist uses too. Some trees of the same species (seemingly any way) seem to be ressitant to these things; when their neighbor is not!

The ball moss is supposed to be an 'epiphyte' -air plant; that doesn't feed off the tree; the book says that sometimes it grows on electric lines supporting that definition. I think it is feeding off mildew etc. on the line, doesn't do well there and when you see it there; it seems to be a fairly resistant to sun, wind etc.; so has hardier genetics in that particular plant. Commonly wee see dead limbs engulfed by it; then the argument goes that they died, then the friendly moss came in! Well that is not what eye see! For sometimes it engulfs the whole tree in these fist sized clumps; and that never seems to go well (for the tree at least!). An olde mentor once told me his observation was that if the ball moss forms a collar around a limb it 'shuts off its air'; don't know what the hell he meant by that; but when i see that collar around a limb; it is usually dead!

These are just some of the examples of what local conditions, lore and life might have to be taken into consideration in tree care in a region to observe all the complexities locally involved. Especially in life-prolific tropical regions that support all kinds of life and has no cycling/ cleansing winter kill; and supports unprotected /lower life forms. Every thing must be observed and put into the balance; that is the weigh! When wee speak of not cleaning out so much; well that might depend on what else is in that balance; sum times particular to that region! For hear, that might allow more growth of these mosses, by providing a safe haven of sool, dark, damp and still (hence the Louisiana, boggy swamp picture from an olde black and white horror film!). To recognize these things; or even see them we must constantly educate ourselves to name the things and their weight in this balance; for decisions must be maid by wee the house-keepers! We ahve lots of nuts loose here in Florida; not many coconuts in this particular region; they seem to favour coastal regions; a lil'further south than my central location


Did some one put this "[check massage length]" hear jest for me?
Sour-eye; eye just saw-ed it!


P.S. edit
Wee are watching safety films about how chaps bog a saw down; but it can still give a limited cut; and one of the guys said ".....oh so that works just like that 'dang' moss?.........". "Yeah"; i teld him; "that baaad". So ; i figured i'd throw this in, this hour later! "Yeah"; "that baaad"!

"....and; as always and all ways wee thank you for your Co-Arbor-(n)Ation!"
-KC
 
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I know what you mean about the selling point of view, seems like every shopping center here and even the city shapes their small trees like hedges. I can see it on fruit trees though because they are expected to be replaced and used for production not ornamental. Looks like it could be a good niche service.
Didn't think about the weight of the moss being a factor but the same with ivy I guess. I took a picture of a shrub that was almost totally engulfed with the ball moss in a resort landscape , I couldn't believe they let it get that far, but then again all of the trees on this property were topped at about 20 ft at one time too, My Brother inlaw said they were Mahogony trees, haven't looked them up yet, but they look like cool trees. Fast growing, like everything else there it seems. With the rate of growth of everything there it seems like y'all would have alot of repeat maintenance customers. How often d the palms need to be pruned? Any of you do shrub pruning too?SOme nice 30'+ hedges around too, wouldn't touch that without a bucket or moon boots:blob2:
 
Originally posted by Toddppm
I have about a million questions for you guys but will start with a couple for now.
Wha did that scare you guys off ??:confused:
 
I think the 'shaped' trees in shopping center parking lots are an atrocity. Store managers hire tree hacks to 'shape' the trees down so the signs are more visible. Most stores would hack down every tree in front of the store if they were not required to have them by law. But since they cannot remove them, they make them 'smaller'. :angry: Have you ever tried to do a corrective prune on a previously 'shaped' tree? It's a nightmare! Just like topping, they'd be better off cutting the trees down.

OK, now that I'm done ranting..................

Palms are typically contracted to be trimmed annually. These are usually done in the winter when other work is slower, although they can be done any time. Trimming palms is almost as nasty as hedge work. Best pawned off on the lawn crew if possible. I'd rather do TREE work.
 
I about hate palms, especially 30+ a day. If i have to do them, i like doing palms in the winter too. The nasty dust is almost as 'itchy' as insulation to me, aggravated by heat and sweat of warmer days; less snakes and bats in the winter too!

But; i think that trimming them in the spring and getting all the seed pods etc. out for the year allows them to look better, cleaner for that year; thereby is better service. Is there a health reason for the palms that that would be the wrong strategy/ philosophy?
 
I think its OK to trim palms in the spring. The worst thing you can do to a palm is the "hurricane" prune, where all but a few fronds on top are removed. Many people think this makes them less prone to storm damage, but you are actually creating a weaker tree by removing its food supply. Personally, I don't like palms either.
 
;) OK got it. Palms suck. Sure could line up a ton of them to prune every year though.
Do you guys prune alot of Banyon trees? Seemed to be alot more of them the east coast. Can you or do people prune the air roots on these things. Riding through a bunch of small towns we could see some of these monsters that had taken over some old houses, pretty cool looking trees.
On a side note , my father lives just past Orlando , that looks like a booming place! One of the better parts of Fl. I've seen , good place to have a bus. Brian?
 
Banyan trees? Cut down a huge one back in '84. I don't think there are any left around this area. Too cold.
 
I dunno , maybe they were the Strangler figs? Do they get monsterous?
 
When I worked for Davey, one of our foremen went to south FL to help prune a huge Banyan tree at Thomas Edison's house. He said he was in that thing for 2 days. Very difficult to trim, every cut would bleed sap. All the cuts he made above him would drip on him. And it gummed up his saw something awful. He was spraying it down with 'purple stuff' cleaner every time he refueled just to keep it functional.

Lots of tree work here in Orlando. Most companies have a hard time keeping enough good help. Good groundmen are about as scarce as flying pigs! I got very frustrated at my last company, didn't have a groundman capable of decent roping or pruning. They basically held the rope I told them to hold and drug brush to the chipper. :(
 
hey brian, do you know POOLE & FULLER? they are from orlando. they wanted me to come down during the winter to give them a hand. I meet them last year at GIVE KIDS THE WORLD in kissimee.
 
Yup, their main office is in Winter Park, about 4 miles from me. Great lil diner right next door to them, always a good spot for some greasy eggs and strong coffee!:p
 
GOTTA LOVE GREASY EGGS AND COFFEE! it just makes a man feel....... well i dont know!
 

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