FS fallers

[forestryworks]

i got a friend who's a class A faller here in TX and he's with a crew workin' on the blow down and clean up in the houston area...

got a phone call from him to see how things were going

then the subject of dogs on the 441, 460, etc.came up

he said those guys take the dogs off...

way to make yourself work harder once that chain
gets the least bit dull

 

[2dogs]

AS is the only place I have ever heard of someone using the dogs to make a dull chain cut. I would never had thought of that. The heat built up must be extreme.

I guess even FS fallers don't know how to use the dogs in falling.

 

[hammerlogging]

I heard sharpening the chain helps. Dogs= saw leverage, sharp or not

 

[Billy_Bob]

To me it is pointless to continue sawing if my chain is dull. If I replace or sharpen the chain, I will get my cuts done quickly and will be home much sooner.

If I try to continue cutting with a dull chain, I will be there forever!

In one case I had a newly sharpened chain, I made two cuts and my chain became dull. I stopped right there and replaced my chain.

 

[Nikko]

I s'pose dawgs could help you power through a cut using a dull chain, but I always considered them to be a way for fallers to save energy and let the saw do the work. Using dawgs buried in bark means you only have to impart effort in one direction (pulling "up" against the dawgs). If you're falling/bucking without dawgs, you actually have to "push" the saw through the cut and this involves many changes in the angle of "pressure" you apply to a saw. Motion like this is tiring. Tiredness leads to low productivity and accidents. The dawgs stay on my saws and I let the saw do the work...

Nikko

 

[forestryworks]

notice i said least bit dull... which does not imply the chain is dull

watch your chips, they go from big (freshly sharpened or ground chain)
to smaller and smaller as the cutters lose their edge, then it's just dust

i swap out or resharpen just after the cutters lose their edge

 

[slowp]

Perhaps a definition is needed.

Class A means they are allowed to fall trees up to 12 inches diameter.

Class B means up to 24 inches.

Class C, no diameter restrictions.

I'm a Class B Bucker, --up to 24 inches. After that, it gets too hard to roll it off the roads.

The card you get when you do the above, is green. So, we can say we have green cards.

 

[hammerlogging]

FW, of course you know. And, anyone who's ever bucked more than one log on the landing knows what a "least bit dull" chain is. Keep the chips a flyin'.

 

[Greenbay]

I've worked as a FS faller and trained saw crews for the FS. Never have I or anyone that trained me said for any reason to take the dogs off a saw and then use it. I'm not sure what it would possibly help.

 

[slowp]

I've worked as a FS faller and trained saw crews for the FS. Never have I or anyone that trained me said for any reason to take the dogs off a saw and then use it. I'm not sure what it would possibly help.

I got told that I should get bigger dogs on the saw by the saw guys. I might have to try it out since they advised it. Already got a big lab.

 

[hammerlogging]

I got told that I should get bigger dogs on the saw by the saw guys. I might have to try it out since they advised it. Already got a big lab.

I've got a cat named Esau (Old Testament names-good for pets). His name evolved to sawdog without even realizing the coincidence till some time later. Now hes aptly called fatty. Stout enough to give you a good grip on the log though, if you want him, hes yours.

 

[slowp]

Nope thank you. I'm allergic to kitties. We'll probably get bigger dogs for Twinkle. The blowdown season is coming up quickly. My used dog came named Benjaman (I can't even spell it) Ben! is easy to yell. I kept his original name--less change. Now back to sawdogs. Do you use them much for small wood?

 

[smokechase II]

assist

"AS is the only place I have ever heard of someone using the dogs to make a dull chain cut."

I believe he is referring to 'sharp' dogs.

They help the chain actually cut with a perticular technique.
They're not just for leverage ya' know.

 

[smokechase II]

Yokes on me

"I've worked as a FS faller and trained saw crews for the FS. Never have I or anyone that trained me said for any reason to take the dogs off a saw and then use it. I'm not sure what it would possibly help."

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Lots of folks do just that.
Small timber cutters.
Saves money on bars/chains, more power and less sharpening time.


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Now those of you reading this have to figure out which of my two posts was a joke.

 

[smokechase II]

Quick correction

Class A means they are allowed to fall trees up to 12 inches diameter.

Class B means up to 24 inches.

Class C, no diameter restrictions.

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Class A is up to 8 inches

 

[2dogs]

"I've worked as a FS faller and trained saw crews for the FS. Never have I or anyone that trained me said for any reason to take the dogs off a saw and then use it. I'm not sure what it would possibly help."

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Lots of folks do just that.
Small timber cutters.
Saves money on bars/chains, more power and less sharpening time.


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Now those of you reading this have to figure out which of my two posts was a joke.

I think all of your posts are a joke! Phhtttt.

 

[Humptulips]

Perhaps a definition is needed.

Class A means they are allowed to fall trees up to 12 inches diameter.

Class B means up to 24 inches.

Class C, no diameter restrictions.

I'm a Class B Bucker, --up to 24 inches. After that, it gets too hard to roll it off the roads.

The card you get when you do the above, is green. So, we can say we have green cards.

Leave it to the government to come up with something like this. So what do you do when you come to a tree out of your class? Quit for the day. Looney!

 

[slowp]

Leave it to the government to come up with something like this. So what do you do when you come to a tree out of your class? Quit for the day. Looney!

We go back into the office and have a coffee break! No matter what size it is, and I'm talking about what I do, which is bucking, if I don't like it, I won't cut it. I've called on the radio for help with a few trees that were across our main roads and were trickier than what I'm used to. In the winter, it can be hard to find somebody to come out and help, so if it isn't needed to be cut at that moment, I will slap woodcutting paint on it, and if it is a Doug-fir, and not too knotty, the woodcutters will whittle it out. Like I said, bigger than 24 inches is getting too hard to roll off the road!

 

[Billy_Bob]

In the book "Professional Timber Falling", the author frequently says...

"LEAVE IT!"

And I agree. You don't *have* to cut anything and you don't *have* to cut anything right now. If you don't feel comfortable with a situation, leave it! If I was the boss man and a worker decided to not cut something, I would say "Good boy!"

 

[hammerlogging]

unless your boss explains that if you don't cut it then the hooketender will have to,and since you're a cutter and much better, you'd better cut it, so the hooktender don't get killed.

Some trees are too dangerous, period. But... rare. Sometimes you can think about or look at an individual tree many many times before you get to it, eventually you figure it out- the safest way to do it, like a puzzle, with serious consequences. Don cha know.