MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Get the kids outta the room, first!
Hanging wood...
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MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Here's a view from the "backside." 
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Just a 'lil "hands-on" action...
What's with all the ??? It said push it...
What's with all the ??? It said push it...
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Alright, ya'll can go back to sleep now.
As you were!
As you were!
Gord
ArboristSite Operative
butch am i missing something or are you drunk?
Gord
ArboristSite Operative
tail's coming out on the inside...that's a left isn't it?
DDM
Addicted to ArboristSite
:blob5:
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Hey, I'm bored.
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Uhhhhh....
fattyphatcakes
ArboristSite Operative
I believe he ment the addicting games.
Finishing with the tail inside the loop, makes the bowline more secure; no matter what direction you make it to.
A sheet bend is a cut open bowline and follows the same rule. A sheetbend should especially be made carefully in this regard, for the pulls are rearranged as the bowline is cut open; making sheetbend less secure anyway!
In the bowline, only half of the pull on eye is trying to pull tail out; other half of pull from eye, is pulling choke closed(to help trap tail). In a sheetbend, the full pull of the load is trying to pull tail out of choke; not just half pull like in bowline, so bowline is more secure. Now, the choke doesn't have that 1/2 load pull pulling it close, so that tail hangs free too. In both cases, the equal and oppsite force from the load is pulling the other end of the choke closed.
You want to set the full pull of the choke, against the easiest to hold part of tail, to secure. Doing the reverse in a sheetbend, just pits both equal and opposite forces against each other, and can slip. Biting the equal and opposite force of choke into the tail (rather than into mainline before bight in tail) has the strongest part of choke, pinching directly, on easiest to hold part of tail.
Or, something like that;
:alien:
A sheet bend is a cut open bowline and follows the same rule. A sheetbend should especially be made carefully in this regard, for the pulls are rearranged as the bowline is cut open; making sheetbend less secure anyway!
In the bowline, only half of the pull on eye is trying to pull tail out; other half of pull from eye, is pulling choke closed(to help trap tail). In a sheetbend, the full pull of the load is trying to pull tail out of choke; not just half pull like in bowline, so bowline is more secure. Now, the choke doesn't have that 1/2 load pull pulling it close, so that tail hangs free too. In both cases, the equal and oppsite force from the load is pulling the other end of the choke closed.
You want to set the full pull of the choke, against the easiest to hold part of tail, to secure. Doing the reverse in a sheetbend, just pits both equal and opposite forces against each other, and can slip. Biting the equal and opposite force of choke into the tail (rather than into mainline before bight in tail) has the strongest part of choke, pinching directly, on easiest to hold part of tail.
Or, something like that;
:alien:
shalenkur
ArboristSite Lurker
what kind of tree is that log from?
Curtis James
ArboristSite Operative
What on earth? I am going to reread this a third time, but i was just thinking, wonder what kinda rope he's using, and the it was a complex disciption of proper directional knot tying. I admit I haven't givin it to much thought. I just ty how i see it perform best. I guess it is hard for me to see what you me without looking at the lay of the rope ya know? I could just be sleepy too.
Nickrosis
Manned by Boderators
Nothing like KC to try to get a thread on track.
BewtifulTreeMan
ArboristSite Operative
eh?
whoa
whoa
Sorry.
In the sheetbend the force of each line must be equal and opposite, as in any knot lacing or anything else. You don't want the lock of the hitch's choke ring to be just equal to the bight which tries to escape. You want the lock of the choke, to be stronger than bight's trying to escape, so don't set agianst matching pull!
MyTreeLessons: SheetBend Security pictures how wrapping the choke side around towards the tail of the bight side, grips the easier to hold tail of the bight(after force reduced around the bight's turn), rather than setting against the opposing mainline pull before the bight.
Bowline same in lacing, only is same line forming loop to self, rather than joining 2 different lines. But the loop instead of joining ends changes the pulls within the construction, (similar to climber's DdRT?) to make bowline more secure; but still should be tied right to maximize too. If the pull is 100#, that must pull 100# from bowline eye and the mainline too.
In the sheetbend the force of each line must be equal and opposite, as in any knot lacing or anything else. You don't want the lock of the hitch's choke ring to be just equal to the bight which tries to escape. You want the lock of the choke, to be stronger than bight's trying to escape, so don't set agianst matching pull!
MyTreeLessons: SheetBend Security pictures how wrapping the choke side around towards the tail of the bight side, grips the easier to hold tail of the bight(after force reduced around the bight's turn), rather than setting against the opposing mainline pull before the bight.
Bowline same in lacing, only is same line forming loop to self, rather than joining 2 different lines. But the loop instead of joining ends changes the pulls within the construction, (similar to climber's DdRT?) to make bowline more secure; but still should be tied right to maximize too. If the pull is 100#, that must pull 100# from bowline eye and the mainline too.
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