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MarsCrash

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Hi guys.

I've been lurking around for awhile now, and I think this site is fantastic.

I've been working as a ground-hog for the past five years. After working hard and passing my ISA cert., I'm finally getting my chance to climb. By all reports (at least the one's I've heard to my face), I'm doing pretty good, but the boots I wore on the ground suck swampwater in a tree. Any suggestions or personal preferences?

BTW, I did my first climbing removal yesterday. They told me on the way to the job that it was a little-leaf linden. When we got there, the tree was 60 feet tall! I didn't know that they got that big. It was a beautiful tree, and I have mixed feelings about knocking it down.
 
Mars-good for you, in regards to boots, if you are climbing with spurs you need heavy, steel toe, steel shank "lineman" type boots. I couldn't speak about boots for spurless climbing having never done it but that calls for a much different boot. I have cut down lots of nice big conifers for many reasons, I like conifers but thats my job so I do it. Be carefull out there, a little bit of fear and common sense will keep you alive.
 
I use hiking boots as well. For me they are good for both spikes and limbwalks, but not awesome with either. (everything is a compromise)
 
Westcos with a 16" rise for climbing in spurs. I wear them on my trims too, but that is less than ideal as the vibram soles can tear bark off of limbs and footlocking is much more difficult with big arches.
 
Hey MarsCrash, welcome to AS.com ! By the way you & I are neighbors, I'm within 30 minutes from the Ambassador Bridge,(Canadian side)! Congrats on your ISA cert, and as far as boots go...just make sure they are comfortable ! Use to get my stuff at Bartlett on Grand blvd (just across the border), but now I deal with Sherrill Arboist Sup, better service & prices...also an AS sponsor, check it out. :Eye: :Eye: , HC
 
Why compromise your footwear? You are in them all day long, I love my Viberg linesman boots. I guess if you spurless climb you need two pairs of boots. I wear caulks when I am falling or slashing and have to walk on logs or in the bush. Right tool for the job.
 
Do a few buzz jobs and get the money, best thing you can buy. My lineman boots are $418, my caulks were $380 11 years ago. Good footwear is very important, I wear oil stained jeans and ripped t-shirts sometimes, I don't shave everyday, but my boots are always oiled and the caulks get changed as soon as they are worn down a bit, I get the best laces I can. I take the time to tie them up properly in the morning too, with a loggers tie, do you guys use that or is it just a PNW thing?
 
What is a "loggers tie"? Please share.
 
I tie my boots with a square knot with a half hitch on each side. I trim the laces so that there is only 3-4" of extra once they are tied. They've never come untied and they don't hang up on anything.
 
welcome

this thread always comes up again and again.....high heels are for chics to accentuate their calves. but most climbers i know wear long pants so why bother wearing heels?

most people will swear the gear they have is the best with out ever trying any other way.

about 80% of my work is removals , so i pretty much live in gaffs. all i wear is good midweight hikers with vibram soles. i've tried wesco's, georgia boots, red wings etc. for ME hikers work the best. i'm 6'1 210 , i wear custom orthotics in my shoes due to heel sprurs i got from wearing so called "climbing boots". i spent 6 1/2 hours in a tree on friday. i went through 3 tanks of fuel in my ms200 and 3 tanks in a 395 just chunking the stick down. so i was standing on gaffs for quite a while, hikers rock.


foot wear is all about fit and comfort. don't be afraid to try different boots. i go through 2 pairs of 150.00 a season. hikers are just so much more comfortable for ME all around.



boston bull.....you swear by wesco's like you own the company........please tell us what other boots you've tried.


bb.......did the other 372's have a chain catch on them?
 
The boots that took the uk treework market by storm are the HAIX chainsaw boot (look em up on google)
1.chainsaw protective.
2.lightwieght and grippy like a hiking boot, but durable as a iron - will give 2-3 seasons of hard climbing easy
3.steel toe and insole for comfort when spiking
4. goretex breathable and waterproof

dont know if you can get these over the pond, but their the dogs bollocks for treework- thousands of brit climbers can't be wrong!
 
Welcome new climber. I have to go with the mid-weight hiker crowd, but that's maybe because i've never tried Wesco's or other logger boots. I'm not a logger. I'm a climber.

I've tried many different boots, for a couple reasons. 1) Always looking for something that performs better, 2) not getting stuck on my own personal beliefs as 'truth' and 3) I just like field-testing different gear.

Most quality hiking boots that lend themselves well to climbing have some key features; Fiberglass shank (semi-stiff, foot-shaped plate molded into the sole) that allows you to stand comfortably on spurs, allows good toe-heel jamming in crotches, and prevents side-to-side cupping and trapping if you step into a tight V crotch. The plate should allow you to put your full weight on a point-source and that force will be distributed across the better part of the bottom of your foot. Without the plate point forces go right up into your foot and you can feel gravel through the bottom of your boots when you walk on it. The reason I'm detailing this key feature is that there are a lot of cheap-o boots out there that pass themselves off as hiking boots that should NOT be used for tree climbing. Boots are the only piece of gear in your collection that you use every second from the moment you leave your home until you get back.

Comfort and fit is important, so mail-ordering boots doesn't allow a try before you buy. You should grab the toe, grab the heel and twist as hard as you can. Stiff is good. Look at the heel: Does the heel do a 90 degree, right angle cut at the arch? the sole of your foot doesn't do a sharp, square angle, not does a limb, nor a rope. I have had much better performance with a nice, deep, molded curve in that mid-sole region, front to back. Good ones will also curve to the in-step and out-step, facilitating some good, righteous rope-grabbing with your boots ( aka footlocking). These curve mold onto limb faces with authority.

Ankle support is also important. Try on a pair, lace em up and roll your right foot to the right, and left foot to the left. Is there enough sidewall stiffness to stop the roll?

Availability is important. Can you get them locally?

GoreTex. Most higher end hikers have it, so it's a plus, especially if you work in wet conditions. Soaked feet tire more quickly than dry feet and tend to be more dry the next morning after a wet day.

I'm a fan of all-leather. Boots with plastic and cordura and any added stitching in the body will deteriorate more quickly. Less flash, more performance. Tree climbing is more abusive on boots than any other activity I can imagine, even worse than extreme hiking or adventure racing.

Vasque makes some very nice boots, I keep coming back to them for their awesome performance, comfort and durability. They're two-pair-a-year boots. Salomon, I have had some good climbing experience with, good comfort, but not so durable, they're three-pair-a-year boots, but available everywhere. Right now I'm absolutely thrilled with the boots I'm in, for their climbing performance, comfort, style, durability, ankle support, sole design and rubber sole compound. They're all-leather, gore-tex, available in sporting goods stores and they footlock as well as anything I've tried in the last decade. I'm wearing the boots that KY Sawyer is using, the Italian-design Garmonts, around $160. I rarely buy a new pair of boots that was identical to the previous pair I bought, but the Garmonts are everything I love in a technical climbing boot, spurs or no spurs. They love climbing trees, fresh out of the box, and seem to get better as the soles thin.

Like KF says, the insoles can be customized. Mine aren't custom like his, but I pull the stock insoles out and replace with cushy gel-soles. They make a difference.

Thor's Hammer has me intrigued with the HAIX boots. I may seek those out as I'm withing a month or two of needing a new pair

Hiking boots are NOT chainsaw protective. Self-vigilance is (needless to say) your responsibility.

Good luck, Noob. Glad to have you onboard.
 
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Thanks for the info, guys. I haven't worn spikes yet. My company does more pruning than removals, but I should be prepared.
 

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