treeslayer2003
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I killed a couple deer on a tract I cut last summer. now I know why there was no under brush, the place is loaded with deer. how much will they impact regeneration? what can be done?
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paccity
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keep culling them. we tend to use deer socks. them there's the boomers. they can be worse than deer.
Some people tube their seedlings, but the elk and deer rip those off or nip the trees when the tree pokes out of the tube. The latest thing is to plant a spruce seedling in the same hole as the seedling you want to grow. Spruce are pokey and the theory is that the spruce will hurt the deer/elk so they won't eat the desired tree. When the trees get big enough to not get devoured, the spruce is done away with.
I also heard that one of the timber companies has developed a cedar that tastes bad to the big critters. Our native Western Red Cedar is hard to grow because the deer and elk love to eat the seedlings. Some plantations are fenced because of that. It is an ongoing problem.
I also heard that one of the timber companies has developed a cedar that tastes bad to the big critters. Our native Western Red Cedar is hard to grow because the deer and elk love to eat the seedlings. Some plantations are fenced because of that. It is an ongoing problem.
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not wolfes.
ed: Hang on. Maybe spoke to soon. if yur close to DC, go with the wolfes. pols more easy pickings
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treeslayer2003
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LOL, yea I am close to DC but this is a different world from there.......so far any way.
prolly just be better to turn the wolves out right in dc lol.
prolly just be better to turn the wolves out right in dc lol.
treeslayer2003
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woods looks like a park, even after I cut 30%. I was hopeing for tulip poplar regen in the more opened up spots but I fear these critters just gonna eat um off as they come up. when I was a kid, ya never hardly saw a deer. I wonder if they may have changed the ecology.
You have to realize I'm out west and haven't been near Maryland.
Is there any pokey brush? A park like area makes it easy for deer to wander around. Now, in Jefferson State (CA), the forester in charge of reforestation and TSI work found that leaving the brush to grow in the units made for better survival. The brush grew faster than the trees and worked as protection for the trees. Once again, when the trees got higher than the brush, it was time to go in and cut the brush (herbicides took too much analysis time) thin the now saplings, releasing them to put on more growth.
I don't even know what tulip poplar looks like.
Is there any pokey brush? A park like area makes it easy for deer to wander around. Now, in Jefferson State (CA), the forester in charge of reforestation and TSI work found that leaving the brush to grow in the units made for better survival. The brush grew faster than the trees and worked as protection for the trees. Once again, when the trees got higher than the brush, it was time to go in and cut the brush (herbicides took too much analysis time) thin the now saplings, releasing them to put on more growth.
I don't even know what tulip poplar looks like.
Remember the big tree at the mine? The one we thought was an oak until the Snooti Lady with the clipboard corrected us?
That's a tulip poplar. It has to be 'cause the Snooti Lady said so.
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Let's not go there please. I'll edit my mention of them.
treeslayer2003
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lol, y'all ain't gonna hurt my feelings.
I know slow p, but I still value you guys input. seems there are no eastern foresters here.
tulip poplar is really in the magnolia family. it grows fast and is strait with little taper. they are one of our higher value export logs. it is tricky doing a selection for them as too much light will scald the saplings but not enough they won't germinate. our methods always seemed to work well but with more and more deere who knows. I really think a big problem is trophy hunting as opposed to killing the does. we can take 10 does here for a reason.
pokey brush? yea, holly and all kinds of briers. deere eat that stuff like candy lol.
I know slow p, but I still value you guys input. seems there are no eastern foresters here.
tulip poplar is really in the magnolia family. it grows fast and is strait with little taper. they are one of our higher value export logs. it is tricky doing a selection for them as too much light will scald the saplings but not enough they won't germinate. our methods always seemed to work well but with more and more deere who knows. I really think a big problem is trophy hunting as opposed to killing the does. we can take 10 does here for a reason.
pokey brush? yea, holly and all kinds of briers. deere eat that stuff like candy lol.
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treeslayer2003
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oh, they have introduced coyotes here but I ain't seen one.
not bashing any one at all but it seems back when locals did most of the hunting, we didn't have the deere problems.
now that most ground is leased the leasers don't seem to want to kill anything but trophys.
not bashing any one at all but it seems back when locals did most of the hunting, we didn't have the deere problems.
now that most ground is leased the leasers don't seem to want to kill anything but trophys.
HuskStihl
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I have many deer on my property, and plenty of coyote as well, at least judging from the road kill. One of the times I dropped a tree on a fence my dogs escaped for 2 days. The deer figured it out fast, and ate my wife's entire garden in one night
There are some sprays but that's a spendy option. They were spraying seedlings with some kind of ghastly stuff up nort in Wisconsin and it was working. I don't know, nor did the foresters there, how long the spray was effective. How about an electric fence?
exSW
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Really,Tulip Poplar as a high value export tree?Must be a coastal thing,just about can't give 'em away here.Usually200-250/thousand.Three years ago I got lucky during a thin and got 450/1000 for poplar,they were good quality trees 50-60 foot to the branches, 2'dbh minimum.Then they dropped back down in price.I figured there was a furniture buyer in the mix but maybe it was for export.
treeslayer2003
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the log in my avatar is poplar, 12' prolly was worth 6-7 hundred.
450 is about the starting price.
450 is about the starting price.
exSW
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Really,Tulip Poplar as a high value export tree?Must be a coastal thing,just about can't give 'em away here.Usually200-250/thousand.Three years ago I got lucky during a thin and got 450/1000 for poplar,they were good quality trees 50-60 foot to the branches, 2'dbh minimum.Then they dropped back down in price.I figured there was a furniture buyer in the mix but maybe it was for export.
That's what we have here right there in your avatar
How much is an out of state license? Bagging 10-20 does between 2 people would keep most of the clan in venison for the year. And go along ways to helping the forests stay healthy.
Just need to find a couple few sherpas to move all that meat. and carry extra ammo.
Just need to find a couple few sherpas to move all that meat. and carry extra ammo.
ChrisIsThis
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Deer seriously impact natural regen in hardwood forests. Obviously it greatly depends on the deer density in your area. I've been told by a couple other foresters/wildlife biologists that a full grown deer consumes around 7 lbs of browse per day. Now think about how many little nibbles of buds and leaves it would take to make 7 lbs. I'll try and dig up some pictures of fenced exclosures that dramatically illustrate the point and post them here.
Twindad
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Treeslayer,
You're right, the deer have definitely changed the ecology of the stand, as they have in many eastern forests. Although yellow poplar is not a preferred browse species, they will eat it if their population is high enough and food is short. They will browse the buds in winter more than the leaves in summer.
They will definitely impact regeneration in hardwood stands which is something I deal with a lot. The effect can be somewhat limited if the stand is large enough to overwhelm the deer. One thing poplar has going for it is fast growth. Tubes or fencing are marginally effective on a small tract and not cost effective at all on a large tract.
The booming deer population is a result of several factors, and it is a reality that we as forest managers and practitioners have to deal with.
Good luck and keep hunting. Fortunately for me I like to hunt and love venison.
Twindad
