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Down the road (next 2-3 years) I would like to start my own buisness, ive worked for 2 or 3 successfull companies and have become a confident safe climber. How did most of you small buisness owners make the switch from working in the field as a climber for a company to owning your own company? did you work fulltime and run a buisness on the side and slowly get bigger or just jump right into it and start advertising?
 
Down the road (next 2-3 years) I would like to start my own buisness, ive worked for 2 or 3 successfull companies and have become a confident safe climber. How did most of you small buisness owners make the switch from working in the field as a climber for a company to owning your own company? did you work fulltime and run a buisness on the side and slowly get bigger or just jump right into it and start advertising?

I don't know how its done as an arborist/whatever but as a carpenter the usual way is to do weekend work for other people till you think theres enough to keep you going through the week. Obviously theres insurance and so on to consider even if your doing weekend work but theres not many carpenters I know who are willing to let someone else make money off them year in year out.
They slowly get tools together till they have everything they need for most jobs and then the van is the last one they need and its usually easy to get a van but a decent set of tools can take a long time to aquire.
You can tell the ones that will never move from a company unless thay are pushed because they are the ones who never buy their own powertools.

Thats my take on doing it as a carpenter anyway and pretty much how I ended up being self employed.

Regards Scott.
 
Down the road (next 2-3 years) I would like to start my own buisness, ive worked for 2 or 3 successfull companies and have become a confident safe climber. How did most of you small buisness owners make the switch from working in the field as a climber for a company to owning your own company? did you work fulltime and run a buisness on the side and slowly get bigger or just jump right into it and start advertising?

Well, the first thing you need to do is get yourself diagnosed as crazy because that is what I think I must have been looking back.
 
Do side jobs on weekend, save up money, pay heaps in advertising. quadruple your stress level, take your free time out the back and shoot it, gut it and bury its remains. Wrangle with red tape and paperwork, Pay yourself a third of what you made working for others while doubling the hours you work while you save for insurance, advertising, saws, chippers, throw lines, harnesses, ropes, rigging, pulleys, portawrap, GRCS, big shot, pole pruner, pole saw, power pruner, more saws hedge trimmer, replacements for gear wrecked by staff, truck, stump grinder, uniforms, boots, helmets, more saws, welder to fix bits on truck and chipper, replacement gear for the last stuff you got, tirfors, cables, wedges, hammer, axes, handsaws, blower, replacements for stolen gear, rakes, sacks, shovels, more saws, pruners, etc etc etc. Then if your lucky after 5 years you will still be standing and wonder if it was all worth it. Have an open marriage between your wife, OSHA, your staff and the local economic climate because they will all screw you equally.

Im 8 years into my lot, wouldnt change it for anything. But best not ask my wife about it.
 
Do side jobs on weekend, save up money, pay heaps in advertising. quadruple your stress level, take your free time out the back and shoot it, gut it and bury its remains. Wrangle with red tape and paperwork, Pay yourself a third of what you made working for others while doubling the hours you work while you save for insurance, advertising, saws, chippers, throw lines, harnesses, ropes, rigging, pulleys, portawrap, GRCS, big shot, pole pruner, pole saw, power pruner, more saws hedge trimmer, replacements for gear wrecked by staff, truck, stump grinder, uniforms, boots, helmets, more saws, welder to fix bits on truck and chipper, replacement gear for the last stuff you got, tirfors, cables, wedges, hammer, axes, handsaws, blower, replacements for stolen gear, rakes, sacks, shovels, more saws, pruners, etc etc etc. Then if your lucky after 5 years you will still be standing and wonder if it was all worth it. Have an open marriage between your wife, OSHA, your staff and the local economic climate because they will all screw you equally.

Im 8 years into my lot, wouldnt change it for anything. But best not ask my wife about it.

Don't forget working 10, 12, 14 hour days and THEN coming home and fixing broken equipment, sharpening chainsaws, greasing/gassing machines, etc.
 
Timber.... great post! anyone wanting to start a tree service should read this post!

1-thing you forgot to include: over abundance of competition whom most have no idea what they`re doing & got laid off from a line of work having nothing to do with tree care, Now they cut grass, do home improvements & "tree work"...... I love their work ethic "as long as I make $10hr(under table) im fine!! they carry no insurance, no skills & have no clue!

this is probably one of the worse things to happen in this industry lately! a second to illegal immigrants taking jobs!
 
Do side jobs on weekend, save up money, pay heaps in advertising. quadruple your stress level, take your free time out the back and shoot it, gut it and bury its remains. Wrangle with red tape and paperwork, Pay yourself a third of what you made working for others while doubling the hours you work while you save for insurance, advertising, saws, chippers, throw lines, harnesses, ropes, rigging, pulleys, portawrap, GRCS, big shot, pole pruner, pole saw, power pruner, more saws hedge trimmer, replacements for gear wrecked by staff, truck, stump grinder, uniforms, boots, helmets, more saws, welder to fix bits on truck and chipper, replacement gear for the last stuff you got, tirfors, cables, wedges, hammer, axes, handsaws, blower, replacements for stolen gear, rakes, sacks, shovels, more saws, pruners, etc etc etc. Then if your lucky after 5 years you will still be standing and wonder if it was all worth it. Have an open marriage between your wife, OSHA, your staff and the local economic climate because they will all screw you equally.

Im 8 years into my lot, wouldnt change it for anything. But best not ask my wife about it.

hahaha nice post.
couldn't agree more.


don't forget meanwhile trying to pay your bills.
it sounds easy at first,one may think well i can start with a chainsaw and a truck and get going..............it's not this easy.
time......time......more time.....and loads and loads of money for insurance and advertising,and tools is a MUST or you will fail for sure.
at first,you will have WAY to much time on your hands due to lack of work.it takes quite awhile to become established.its easy to get a few calls and think wow,here's a couple hundred/thousand dollar jobs to get me going.....its not so easy lol don't be fooled by a short burst of jobs.put every single penny you possibly can BACK into your tree service or you will never make it.
don't consider money from jobs yours at all.consider it money for your tree service.
work as long as possible where your at and save every penny then invest it.
it may or may not be a good idea to tell your employer your plans......i made this mistake haha.
when your underbid,shrug it off and keep going.lowering your prices doesn't help in the long run.all it does is hurt your industry in your local area.
screw the hacks.the people who will hire them over you,are not the clients you want to work for anyway.
when you get stiffed.....and it will happen...shrug it off and keep your chin up.be proud,strong,professional,and most importantly continue your education in modern arboriculture.
always do top of the line perfection work.never lower your standards especially when your well over hours on a job,its easy to think "its good enough" now lets get out of here and on to the next job.never get into this thinking.
you will be years before you have all the professional tools required,and will struggle making due and making ends meet for awhile.
never give up and always focus on your goals.
make short term goals that are obtainable and long time goals and never,never,never think or wounder if your going to make them or not.focus on making them and do so,or hang it up right now and stay working for someone else.
work hard,long hours.take your free time and spend it cultivating your tree service.if you don't,you wont make it in the long run.
hopefully in 10 years you have what you need and are actually making a good living.
tell yourself you can.and don't let anyone tell you,you cant.this is the most important part.
your whole life will be devoted to your biz,and everything else will be put in second place.
hope your single,or your wife,family can work with you.if not,your in for a rough one,they will know they no longer come first.
try and put them equally and your biz will suffer i can promise you this.
owning your own biz is not for everyone of course or everyone would do it lol.
best of luck.
remember safety first.not productivity.think otherwise,and the day WILL come to bite you in the ars,possibly ending it all.
bid jobs accordingly so your not rushing to cut corners.if the competition doesn't,well then the day will come,where they will no longer be your competition anyway.
good luck.
 
I started climbing in 1977 and in 1984 I think I can do it! I did not have the key factor- good people ( workers ) you can count on. I look at my Boss today, and think :What a lucky guy!" Not me, I would rather be one of :the good guys" helping to grow.
Jeff
Operations Manager
Yeah I know it is still stress, but the kind of stress I like.
Jeff
 
Timber.... great post! anyone wanting to start a tree service should read this post!

1-thing you forgot to include: over abundance of competition whom most have no idea what they`re doing & got laid off from a line of work having nothing to do with tree care, Now they cut grass, do home improvements & "tree work"...... I love their work ethic "as long as I make $10hr(under table) im fine!! they carry no insurance, no skills & have no clue!

this is probably one of the worse things to happen in this industry lately! a second to illegal immigrants taking jobs!


You hit the nail on the head with that post. 100% reality. You know, 23 years in this business now and where in the hell did the years go. I have always been legit only to face what you are talking about right there. If I could have seen the future I would never, never , ever got into the tree business. If I could have made any real money in this deal it wouldn't be so bad. What I call real money is more than just paying the bills and living. You can work for somebody else and do that and not worry 24/7, work 12 hour days, work a lot of weekends and contend with all the paperwork. I have always tried to keep my options as open as I could but unfortunately they have all been options to go into something else that is a make a living pay the bills only kind of business.
 
best way is to go behind your boss and cut his throat and steal the work from him and borrow his equipment to do the work until you can afford your own stuff...........lol

It's a lot harder than it seems to start from scratch.....
 
"Overnight" may be the best way to describe it.

Cold turkey for being employed??

Worked for the City of Portland, and wanted to travel to an event in Ohio. For like 2 years, and the event was each summer coinciding with a golf tournament.

Told them I really wanted the time off. They said they could not spare having me leave. So I resigned, and told them they were now facing the solution that would have worked.

However they filled my spot, would have been available. Likely a temp transfer from one of 3 other golf courses. We did it anyway in the year when sanding greens for each other. Rotated around.

Went to the event in Ohio for a week. Came back. Printed business cards, and began seeking customers. Probably one of the best deciisions I ever made. 1988.
 
glad im not the only "overnighter" lol.

i grew up cutting wood. then found out people do it for a living and did a backflip! i went to work for a guy for a year, then found out he was a hack, through self teaching. then found out that of the 200 people in the phonebook here, only 1 didnt advertise topping. And they werent hiring lol. SO i started advertising. started with a $250 job. bought a rope and saddle, and rented a saw with the old lady's credit card, and paid it back that day. and thats what i did for the next year, i put 90% of my profit into buying climbing gear, saws, and more books.

Im still buying big equipment....

Oh and there are TWO companies in town who don't top now :cheers:
 
Down the road (next 2-3 years) I would like to start my own buisness, ive worked for 2 or 3 successfull companies and have become a confident safe climber. How did most of you small buisness owners make the switch from working in the field as a climber for a company to owning your own company? did you work fulltime and run a buisness on the side and slowly get bigger or just jump right into it and start advertising?


When you become the owner your role changes. You have to have compenetnt help which can be hard to find. You have to focus on selling jobs dealing with bankers, lawyers customers and your employees. You probably wont be doing as much hands on, as running the business. Most small businesses don't "plan to fail, they fail to plan." I am not trying to discourage you by any means. Just plan ahead. Being the chief cook and bottle washer means you are never off from work. You take it home with you, 7 days a week 24 hours a day. If you love what you do the rewards are great. But it is a lot of hard work. I know you aren't afraid of work, if you were you would not be in this business.

Good Luck

:greenchainsaw:
 

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