How hard is it on climb rope with no friction saver

[parrisw]

Was practicing today, going up and down my tree in my back yard, and just running the rope throught the crotch, and noticed on the new rope, it gets quite rubbed from running around a branch? Is this ok. I assume a friction saver would be key. I suppose I should get one.

 

[toddstreeservic]

it depends on the tree species and your specific technique but a friction saver will definitely help your rope last longer.

 

[Jlarnard]

I guess it depends on how long you expect your rope to last. I try to get a new rope for climbing each year, or more often when accidents happen. Like groundman saw stupidity. I then retire my old line to let downs. So far I have never seen a good quality rope fail due to abrasion. Even after many a year. True blue is by far the longest lasting rope I have used.

 

[parrisw]

Thanks guys. Its Samson Arborplex.

 

[rbtree]

You can't hurt arborplex...but it might glaze a bit from high speed descents only.

However, trees will be happier and undamaged if you use a friction/cambium saver.

 

[parrisw]

You can't hurt arborplex...but it might glaze a bit from high speed descents only.

However, trees will be happier and undamaged if you use a friction/cambium saver.

Thanks! Yes, I may get a friction saver for the trees that are not slated for removal. I don't do high speed descents.

 

[Nailsbeats]

I have only used a friction saver a handful of times in 15 years of climbing. I have climbed on 1/2" True Blue for probably close to 10 years now, you shouldn't have a rope wear problem natural crotching. I use the friction saver in some pines (because of sap) and sometimes if I am doing spikeless pruning, less resistance when footlocking.

 

[parrisw]

Got another question, I am a beginner in climbing work. I tried footlocking, had a blake hitch on the rope on the right, left side was tied into a biner then on the dring, tried to foot lock on the right rope, but when trying it kinda just wanted to put me off kilter by pulling up on the left rope, I could get up by putting the hitch around both ropes but then trying to descent the hitch wouldn't let go when it was around both ropes? any tips on what to do. Should I just try to hold both ropes together? while footlocking?

 

[Nailsbeats]

What type of d-ring configuration does your saddle have or what style is it and how do you have your rope hooked to it, and are you climbing on a splittail or fixed?

 

[parrisw]

Like this, saddle isn't the same, but the configuration is the same.

climb rope was attached to the two center d rings. both sides of the climb rope was attached through both drings.

 

[Groundman One]

I try to get a new rope for climbing each year, or more often when accidents happen. Like groundman saw stupidity.

Hey, I resemble that remark.

But to be fair, it's the climber's fault as well sometimes. My guy dropped a big pine trunk on a hill and when it hit the ground it rolled a few feet, right on to his coiled rope (which he left on the ground). I was bucking up the trunk and all of a sudden white fluff is coming out of one of the cuts. I thought I hit a rabbit. Bzzzz! Wrong. His coiled rope. I cut a 120" of lovely rope into ten and twenty-foot pieces.

It was his fault, but I still paid the same percentage for a new rope for him as I get from the job. Fair's fair. We usually deal with damaged equipment like that. Even when my climber backed up the truck and chipper into a Honda and it cost $500 for the dent. Me, my climber, and the boss split the $500 according to how we split up a job. We're a small company so we think it's far that way.

 

[Jlarnard]

OMG. Who's fault is it? Oh I know it's the saws mistake. It's never the operator. Still though stuff happens, I never made anyone pay for a rope.
But after a good reaming they don't tend to ever do it again.
I too have been the dumb ground guy. Heck I was even the dumb tree climber once. Thank God I had my buckstrap on.

 

[Nailsbeats]

Like this, saddle isn't the same, but the configuration is the same.

climb rope was attached to the two center d rings. both sides of the climb rope was attached through both drings.

Sorry, can't help, never used that type of setup.

 

[Bermie]

Are you trying what's called 'footlocking the tail'?
To do this effectively, I find you need a long reach between the drings on your bridge and your friction hitch, so you can get a good grab.
Sounds like you have a fair bit of friction over the crotch, the rope isn't sliding around quick enough to even the pull on both sides.

 

[parrisw]

Are you trying what's called 'footlocking the tail'?
To do this effectively, I find you need a long reach between the drings on your bridge and your friction hitch, so you can get a good grab.
Sounds like you have a fair bit of friction over the crotch, the rope isn't sliding around quick enough to even the pull on both sides.

yes thats what I was trying to do, the rope wanted to slide around the crotch, which made it difficult to do, and found it hard to lock the single rope around my foot, with two rope's it was easy to lock around my foot.

 

[parrisw]

Sorry, can't help, never used that type of setup.

What is your spikeless climbing setup?