HP and cubic inches galore

[HUSKYMAN]

Went to the local Homelite/Stihl dealer today and saw a wonderful sight. First thing that caught my eye was a huge Mall two man saw on the ground. Then my eye caught TWO 750's sporting 3' bars. One was very nice, and one had done its fair share of work. Then right below that, was a beautiful 2100 sporting a 4' bar, unfortunately it had a blown up clutch which I believe was a common problem with them due to the extreme power output. Then there was a brand spanking new 880 sitting on the opposite shelf. Talk about testosterone!

 

[sonny]

The one thing you did not see was any broken down STIHL saws.

 

[HUSKYMAN]

To the contrary, and this is honest, there were just a many dead Stihls there as there were Homelites. There was an 034, and 044, 009(I thought they were bulletproof) and a bunch of DOA parts saws I tried to buy but he would not budge. Typical Stihl dealership, full of corpses!

 

[homelite360]

yeah when i went down to PA to pick up a couple of saws the guy had what i though was the stihl grave yard. there must have been close to 30-40 dead sthils that were waiting to be stripped for useable parts. i got a kick out of that. i have brought a good number of homelites back to life easier than sthils mostly cause the parts are less expensive. but i would have loved to seen all fo them whopping homelites making the stihl's on the shelves feel little.

 

[HomeDelight Man]

Hello, Hey Huskyman when you say 2100 is that a Homelite 2100 or a Husky 2100? I think me and this guy need to talk. Jonathan

 

[HUSKYMAN]

Unfortunately the closest I have ever come to a Husky 2100 is ebay. This was a Homelite 2100, which I believe is bigger than a Husky 2100.

 

[chainsaw-57]

Hi. I am fortunate enough to own both the Husky 2100XP and a Homelite S 2100 AO. I have used the Husky and was very impressed with the speed and power. The Homelite was just resurrected on Thursday night, sounds good and healthy. I also have a 903 and two 923's. A friend of mine,Ted, has several 925'S. I have question for you Homelite guys. Are the 900 series saws known for cylinder nuts coming loose? One of Ted's saws would not settle down, after being gone through, when he first bought it. He tried everything including seals, carb kit and ignition. Everything led us to think it was an air leak. Finally he tore it all the way down and one of the nuts holding the cylinder on was gone and the rest were in varying states of looseness. Today while rebuilding a 923 I had the same problems. A pressure test did not did not show the leak, apparently 7 PSI was not enough to push the cylinder away from the base. None of the nuts were missing, but three were very loose. After tightening the nuts the saw ran great. I have rebuilt over 220 saws, that now reside on my workshop walls, and have not come across this before. Well better get going a Mac 1225-A is the next project. Larry

 

[treeclimber165]

Perhaps some of that super-extreme duty Lock-Tite would hold those nuts from backing out. I've had good luck with it in the past, never used it on connecting rods though.

 

[HUSKYMAN]

I think he means the nuts holding the cylinder to the crankcase, not the connecting rod. SO which one makes more power, the Husky 2100 or the Homelite 2100? I am sure they both sound awesome

 

[HomeDelight Man]

Hello, I had the same problem with my XL-923, I used loctite and it seems to work. I would try to get those washers that bend so the nuts cannot loosen. I would like to hear the comparison between the Homelite 2100 and the Husqvarna 2100. My bet is that the Husqvarna my cut faster, but my money on the Homelite for low-end torque and capable of runinng a 9 ft bar. Good luck let us know, Jonathan By the way the Husqvarna 2100 is 100cc's and the Homelite is 114cc's.

 

[chainsaw-57]

Hi Guys, I finally got to run the 2100 XP and S 2100 AO side by side today. I was cutting up a 32 inch red oak that fell last year. The Husky has a 20-inch bar, 3/8 chisel chain and the Homelite has a 24-inch bar, 404 semi-chisel chain. The Husky has no base gasket, no governor and the baffles are gone from the muffler. The Homelite has electronic ignition and no baffles in the muffler. I paid two dollars for two Huskies and made one, while the Homelite cost me $50.00 with no pull rope or spark. Both saws run exceptionally well and are more than adequate for big jobs. The Husky is a little faster in cuts up to 20 inches and the Homelite felt more comfortable in cuts over 20 inches. The Husky seems to be in a hurry like a teenager and the Homelite takes its time like an adult, but they both get there at the same time. The Husky is lighter and smoother, but the Homelite feels like it would be more comfortable making cuts with a "nine-foot bar". The Husky will probably be put with my work saws and the Homelite will be placed with my collected saws(but will be ready to work if the need arises). In the past, I usually worked with 3 to 4 C.I. saws, what a difference working with real saws. Maybe I will make one of my 923's a working saw; no base gasket, electronic ignition, no governor, no baffles and an 18-inch bar. Larry

 

[HUSKYMAN]

I want to know where you find saws like that for fifty bucks. I'd drive anywhere to get two huskies for $2

 

[chainsaw-57]

I went to an auction on the spur of the moment. It was a dealer going out of business. I bought 50 "parts" saws, a 100 bars(mostly new) and a box of sharpened chains for a total of $76.00. I was buying six or eight saws at a time for two dollars. The bars(mostly 18 and 20 inch) were going for six dollars a stack. Some of the saws I got out of the group are a military Remington 754G; Homelite XL 903, XL 923, Model 500; Stihl 031; Sachs Dolmar 119; a nice Wright saw with the starter on the right side; and of course, the two Huskies, which made one good running saw. All these saws I have rebuilt and they run very good. I have many other smaller saws that I have not gone through yet and some are just parts saws. These will be my winter projects. Some of the saws have just needed a fuel line, carb cleaning, starter rope, and/or points cleaning.
The Homelite, I bought from a Stihl dealer, who had gotten it on trade many years ago. A couple weeks ago, he traded two gallons of oil and two hats for a 7H Mall and he gave me a call. While I was there, I went into his stash of old and trade-in saws, and he asked me if I saw anything that I liked. I found the 2100 Homelite and OMG Mall. We loaded everything into the car and I asked him what I owed him. He said $20.00 for the 7H Mall, and asked if $50.00 was too much for the Homelite. He did not want anything for the OMG. He has a bunch of neat old saws upstairs(Echo 1000, Twin cylinder Solo, XL 925s, and many, many older saws) and has invited me back to see if anything else strikes my fancy. Of course, I am like a kid in a candy store and am just waiting for the time I can go back. He knows I am a collector and I don't sell anything. Larry

 

[HUSKYMAN]

Please post a notice next time one of these auctions come up. What part of ohio was this in?

 

[nfp]

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larry, do you just farm yourself out for a week or 2? im 15 years behind, doing all those saws,youve done, i could get caught up!!!!!!!!!!!!! nfp:alien: :alien:

 

[dbabcock]

How would my new 3120 XP Husky compare to the older 2100's. I know nothing about these older saws. The 3120 is 120 cc's and it really rips. My 266 SE has been flawless for 13 years. At the time I bought it, it was the smallest of Husky's "pro" line which consisted of the 266 SE, 180 XP and the 2100 CD. The 266 is certainly no slouch as a general purpose saw that you can use for a whole day without breaking your back. The 3120, with a powerhead dry weight of just under 23 lbs. is another story. I use it for stumping and bucking big hardwood at my lake property.
I only have a 24" bar on it, but my dealer said he had just sold two with 6' (?) bars to a guy who was harvesting Cypress trees in Africa. I might go for a 36" bar sometime as I could use it for the bigger stump bases.

 

[chainsaw-57]

Hi. Huskyman, that auction was near Wooster, I live close to Medina, OH. If something comes along, that I can't go to, I'll let you know. I took a Ford Ranger, with a cap, to that auction and had no room for anything else. Good thing my wife was not able to go, something or somebody, would have had to stay.
nfp, I would be glad to help, if only I could find the time. In less than four years I have rebuilt, to wood cutting condition, including sharp chains, over 230 saws. This hobby is my way of relieving stress. 200 of these saws are on my workshop walls, on display. People ask me when I am going to open a museum. I have rebuilt all flavors and sizes of saws, from Orlines to 2-man saws and saws with 8" bars to 59" bars. At present the "Chainsaw Pile", saws to be rebulit, consists of about 150 saws, all kept inside.
Doug. I hope the 3120 would out perform the 2100. For me the 2100 is as much saw as I think I will ever need. Actually the 2100 is too new for me. The saws that interest me are 1960's and older, especially 2-man saws. At this time, a Mac 795 is apart on my bench, carbon-stuck rings, hopefully it will be running tonight. Then on to a Mac 1225-A. So many saws so little time. Larry

 

[homelite360]

right now i have my 1225-A ripped apart. it needed help a lot. the keyway was busted out on the clutch end of the crank. so i got it welded up today and tomorrow i am goign to cut a new key way in it. but i should have her all back together by the first of the week. what do you know about those saws. what type of power did they have? any pointers?

 

[chainsaw-57]

Hi Andrew. I have rebuilt several 2-man Macs and the same problem occurs on each of them. Why did Mac have to create their own induction systems? The carbs and primers always seem to be a problem on them and parts are very expensive, if available at all. I have gotten to cutting my own diaghrams and had good luck with them. It sounds as if your saw is a real project with the keyway and all. Good Luck. The 1225-A was the first production saw for Mac, made in 1948 and 1949, 7.9CI, 2.250 x 2 and weighed 49#, much lighter than the Malls and Disttons. I would guess the power at about 8HP (1 HP per cubic inch on 2 stokes, as a rough estimate). No real pointers, as I know this is not your first rebuild. So many saws so little time. Larry

 

[chainsaw-57]

Vintage hp and cubic inches

Hi Guys,
It was kind of a productive week on rebuilds. First, there was the Mac 795 which actually turned out to be a 790; air vane governor, 6.3 CI, vintage 1963. Second, there was the Mac 73; 7.3 CI, vintage 1955. Here is one for you Homelite 360, a Homelite Model 5-30; 6.97 CI, rotary intake valve which controls governed speed to an incredible 5500 rpm's, vintage 1954, using a belt to transfer power from crankshaft to drive shaft. All saws run and look good.
So many saws so little time. Larry
By the way, I work full time, actually 10 hour days, at a real job as a machinst. So I don't get as much time to enjoy my hobby as I would like