bought from ebay 116$ looks good from pics.i looked at several sights some say good saw some say thay have a few issues idk. iv got a 460 rancher had around 3 years now no issues cuts starts great.like stihl saws had a stihl o28 av super great saw gave it to my son. Just seeing wat issues may come up with this saw. thears more people out thear that knows more than I do about it. would like to hear it