I got a consern with a dead tree

[dh1984]

i still kinda new at this and i have a consern with a dead oak tree.

the consern i have is the owner of the tree want it took all the way to the ground but you can't get a bucket truck or anything like that up next to it at all.

so i'm looking for some ideals on how to take it out safely with hitting the moible homes about 20 foot from it. the tree has limbs going right over them and i what i was going to do is climb it so far and cutt the limbs and rope them down.

but what my other consern is how hard is a dead oak tree will it take weight when i have to rope the limbs down or what? or could i use a other tree about 15 to 20 foot from it and let it take the weight when i cut the limbs and let them swing to it and then to the ground?

i need ideals fast because he is wanting it done tomorrow and i have been thinking on this for 2 days trying to figure out how the best way to do it is.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

i tried to get get pictures but i had no luck of finding my camera.

the tree it's self is about 29 inchs round and about 60 to 70 foot tall but it just died over winter for some reason. he said it wasn't hit by lighting or anything it just up and died during winter for some reason.

 

[dh1984]

i think this might help as to give a ideal of what how tall it is. the tree is soild as a rock but the limbs has to come down before i can start blocking it down where i can safely take it all the way down.

here is some pictures i took from google maps with my web cam.its the tree witht he mouse pointer on it LOL

 

[Saw Dust Smoken]

dead tree

Fresh kill. No bark falling off? No upheave of root ball? From your picture angle probable cut and drop 90%. Rope the other back as needed. Or what's to left? Notch and drop whole tree?

 

[Nailsbeats]

WTF guy? you own a tree service and ask how to take down a tree, get ####in real.

 

[dh1984]

Fresh kill. No bark falling off? No upheave of root ball? From your picture angle probable cut and drop 90%. Rope the other back as needed. Or what's to left? Notch and drop whole tree?

Its is a fresh kill no bark falling off and no up heave of the root ball either. but right behind the tree is power lines that go to the houses to the right of the tree.

to the left of the tree is the power pole that has the power lines for the houses and right up from that is a other house. but i can cut and drop about 60 to 70 % of the tree with out any problem but i need to know if it would ok to cut the limbs off before i take it down?

i could always use the tree next to it to rope the limbs from this tree and lower them to the ground. i got over 600 foot of 1/2 inch soild braided nylon rope. so runnign out of rope wouldn't be a problem on this tree.

but i need to know will it be ok to cut the limbs is what i'm trying to say before i cut and drop the rest of it.

 

[dh1984]

WTF guy? you own a tree service and ask how to take down a tree, get ####in real.

yes i do won a tree service but i haven't never done a dead tree before like this one.

now if it was out in the open not next to houses and power lines and easy to get a bucket truck to then i wouldn't have a problem and i wouldn't be on here asking for advice about it.

 

[fir]

You most likely can use the branches on the tree to rig off even use a crotch but watch the crotch can get the rope stuck or if you have the angle and space you can zip line it. worked good for us on stone dead arbutus tree.

 

[Blakesmaster]

Hey Beans, little help over here?

 

[dh1984]

You most likely can use the branches on the tree to rig off even use a crotch but watch the crotch can get the rope stuck or if you have the angle and space you can zip line it. worked good for us on stone dead arbutus tree.

ok thanks i'll use some of the branches to rig and then when i get the top cleared then i take small chunks like Saw Dust Smoken said to do and when i get it down far enough i'll drop it to the ground.

 

[mattfr12]

Heres the deal its more dependent on what kinda tree it is. certain species retain strength better dead than others. for example strong ones would be elm, oak, some maple. i have climbed plenty of these without bark. Weak species. Willow, Sycamore, Linden, and so on.

from the pictures alone i don't think you could tear that tree over if you wanted to. your rope will break before you tear a decent crotch out of it. but a picture is worth a thousand words and i can only tell you by what i can see out of a blurry picture.

if your gonna be climbing trees learn risk assessment. common sense usually comes into play. what can i physically see that is wrong with the tree missing bark, decay, root ball lifting, these kinds of things are what will tell you the tree can handle. any tree can basically be climbed to a degree. what it will take is a different story. on a tree like that id be pulling the 5/8 rope of for some decent size stuff. put a few holes in it and some rot i might be only running with the half inch.

 

[mattfr12]

ok thanks i'll use some of the branches to rig and then when i get the top cleared then i take small chunks like Saw Dust Smoken said to do and when i get it down far enough i'll drop it to the ground.

do you do it differently out of a bucket. you have pulleys and a porta wrap and so on right?

 

[arborjockey]

i know a guy in the area

Theres a feller in your county that maybe of help. Look up Websters tree service. Apparently he runs an ad that says NO TREE TO BIG. Herd he's got a poulon with some new fuel line that'll shred that oak.

I have a feeling your overthinking it or your a green horn. Throw a rope over a high lead then have a couple of fat boys pull on the rope. Watch the base for action. Plunge cut with your saw and see how much "good wood" is left. Drill it maybe...hit it with a mallet and listen ....or maybe do a hazardous tree evaluation......... ID JUST CUT IT.:msp_sneaky: Last hope is its only a trailer. Do it Tennessee style. Scrap the siding, electrical wire, and copper plumbing off the trailer. Then fall the tree on it and burn em. Job done. No clean up and u made a little beer $ off the scap

 

[dh1984]

do you do it differently out of a bucket. you have pulleys and a porta wrap and so on right?

well when i use a bucket i just start witht he limbs cut and rope them down then start on the bigger part nothing differnt then what i do if i has to climb it.

and yes i have pulleys and a porta wrap and stuff like that.but i think i will be needing a other anchor to be on the safe side and have one for a back up.

but i think i have been over thinking it a little and letting it get to me about it being dead so tomorrow it will be coming down and i'll try to get some pictures and maybe a video if i can.

Thanks everyone for the advice

 

[ROPECLIMBER]

well when i use a bucket i just start witht he limbs cut and rope them down then start on the bigger part nothing differnt then what i do if i has to climb it.

and yes i have pulleys and a porta wrap and stuff like that.but i think i will be needing a other anchor to be on the safe side and have one for a back up.

but i think i have been over thinking it a little and letting it get to me about it being dead so tomorrow it will be coming down and i'll try to get some pictures and maybe a video if i can.

Thanks everyone for the advice

Rigging straight back down to the base of same tree to porta wrap is done to prevent side loading,of sparr, google bending momment in tree rigging, lots of good reading search it inuppr right on here too I posted a couple of good articles on it.
Buy and read
The Art and Science of Practicle Rigging,
Practical Rigging : SherrillTree Tree Care Equipment
Paul

 

[Tree Pig]

yes i do won a tree service but i haven't never done a dead tree before like this one.

now if it was out in the open not next to houses and power lines and easy to get a bucket truck to then i wouldn't have a problem and i wouldn't be on here asking for advice about it.

I think you need to adjust your sig, where it says "No tree too big or too small" need to be changed to "No tree too big or too small, but maybe too dead"

Honestly if the tree was alive last year you could prolly go up it and take it apart with out a problem. Just about everyone here will tell you they have safely climbed and removed trees that were dead far longer. Trees with bark falling off, with just major branches left that have no rotted off. Of course you have to closely evaluate everything you do and adjust for the condition of the tree, but its not really that big a deal. But only you can tell for sure because you have to evaluate the tree.

If your not sure PM Fishercat he is a member here and I am sure would be willing to come give you hand for a small fee. You may even learn something.

 

[flushcut]

Hey Beans, little help over here?

ladies and gents rep this man for the perfect post

 

[VA-Sawyer]

I agree that it was pretty good. About the only thing better would be a picture of Spock doing a 'Mind meld' with the tree, asking if it was safe to climb!

Rick

 

[treeclimber101]

Threads like this always make me feel better about myself .....

 

[Tree Pig]

Threads like this always make me feel better about myself .....

Glad something does, I mean really you live in Jersey.

 

[no tree to big]

:baffle: you've never cut down a dead tree before? what kind of tree service you runnin?
I don't think its safe that tree looks pretty rotted but it could just be because of the blurry pic I would rather be safe then sorryjust call one of the guys on craigslist