Injectable systems

[Sunrise Guy]

As I ramp up the services and equipment for my company, I'm now considering offering injectables. I'd appreciate any and all info you have about your experiences with Arborjet or similar systems. Is it worth the hassle when it comes down to mixing, injecting, leaving the bottles on-site for larger deliveries, etc.? What kind of profit dollars are we talking about, realistically? Thanks!

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

My experiance with macrofusion is that it is a hard sell due to the labor/time intensive nature. To pay for the equipment you need a pretty substancial client base.

AceCaps are old tech that wounds the trees too much.

Maugett is better, using smaller holes and less injectors. The problem is that you have poor uptake on trees that are highly stressed.

I've not heard much about arborjet, but a number of people I know have had problems with Wedgel and bark seperation, dieback.

There are pros and cons to all ofthe systems, none are the best. I thnik you need 2-3 of them to round out a program.

Add the Kiretz (Sp?) soil injector with 2 of the trunk injection systems and I Think you would have a good program w/o needing a spray truck.

Take a boring insect, you want to use imidicloprid because of the long half life. But even with a trunk injection it has slow uptake.

You can use the soil injection with Metasystox to knock down the populations then do the trunk injection for long term control.

With a macrofusion tank you can mix several products (read the lable first, the lable is the law!) and not worry about a carrier that will harm the tree. With micro injections you need to "piggyback" or put 2 or more cartridges in one hole sequentially to get multiple products in.

 

[ATH]

.....Take a boring insect, you want to use imidicloprid because of the long half life. But even with a trunk injection it has slow uptake.

You can use the soil injection with Metasystox to knock down the populations then do the trunk injection for long term control......

I have usually heard it would be the other way around...injection to get quick response and soil treatment for long-term. Was this inadvertent flip, or have you seen better results doing it the way described?

Always curious to learn what works well for others! Thanks.

 

[treevet]

Hurt the tree to help it? If a tree is injured it is infected. Trees fight off thousands of infections in their existence however they spend energy in the process. Probably most trees that are injected are soon to be in the firewood pile.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Was this inadvertent flip, or have you seen better results doing it the way described?

It is the product mostly, Metasystox is a nasty broad-spectrum insecticide that is taken up fast and moves readily through most trees. It has a very short half-life, so needs to be used with other products from time to time.

In this case it helps the will knock down anything feeding now, while the merit is moving through the tree. You could also do the merit as a soil injection this way, but then you would need a pumper trck or use the kioritz gu a whole lot. If I remember right, you can use a tighter grid with the Metasystox, but it has been a long time

Hurt the tree to help it? If a tree is injured it is infected. Trees fight off thousands of infections in their existence however they spend energy in the process. Probably most trees that are injected are soon to be in the firewood pile.

Actually no, I've seen birch I've "treated" with acecap last for years after the borer is knocked down. I've seen Ulmus A. that had been traced and injected last for years too. The MKE Metro area has hundreds of very large Ulmus A. that are on Arbotech 3x programs. Also, I've treated sycamore for anthracnose with good results.

 

[treevet]

It is the product mostly, Metasystox is a nasty broad-spectrum insecticide that is taken up fast and moves readily through most trees. It has a very short half-life, so needs to be used with other products from time to time.

In this case it helps the will knock down anything feeding now, while the merit is moving through the tree. You could also do the merit as a soil injection this way, but then you would need a pumper trck or use the kioritz gu a whole lot. If I remember right, you can use a tighter grid with the Metasystox, but it has been a long time



Actually no, I've seen birch I've "treated" with acecap last for years after the borer is knocked down. I've seen Ulmus A. that had been traced and injected last for years too. The MKE Metro area has hundreds of very large Ulmus A. that are on Arbotech 3x programs. Also, I've treated sycamore for anthracnose with good results.

I think in two out of three of these examples you may be assuming they would not have survived or not had anthracnose the next season w out your efforts respectively. This may not be the case. As for the american elms this is probably a blocker as fungisol and prob too expensive a program for the ave client. If the treatment is stopped the trees would be more vulnerable than if never treated? I ve been using mauget since the early 70 s and this is just an observation along w all the stumps w injection compartmentalization marks from others I always find. Said mostof the time not all the time.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Said most of the time not all the time.

I realize this, I say it fails some of the time, and that the macrofusion is better them Maugett. With the pressure in the system, and root crown injections, you get much better translocation throughout the crow of a stressed tree.

Up here sycamore anthacnose is a very bad twig canker that causes witches brooms throught the tree. Our cooler springs allow a longer time for the fungus to spread then farther south. I cannot remember the rates, but the treatment holds back the cankers for at least 4-5 years.

I've seen treated elms survive in neighborhoods where most of the other elms are gone from DED. Yes, it damamges the tree. But then sugar bushes have survived for decades being tapped annually mid trunk.

The best way to sell it to the client is that they can spread the cost over the years, that it is a part of a treatment program with irrigation being the most important part. Both of theses spieses are mezic-wet to hydric plants.

They are not 100% effective, and not silver bullits. Some people misuse them. I've heard of people doing Maugett on crabapples annually just because they do not want to have a spray rig. I can see using this on some trees, but most it is too damamging for me.

 

[treevet]

I am not very familiar w macro infusion but I agree w other points you made.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I am not very familiar w macro infusion but I agree w other points you made.

Great! That means we agree on most of it

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