insurance, chain brakes, why bother

[igetbisy]

one minute i'm cutting some firewood, next, i'm hoping that the docc can put my hand back together. old kickarse pioneer falling saw, push button oiler, mo knob. easier tu push with palm than thumb, so likewise my palm is on the handlebar, thukb not wrapped around, and zip, chain ends up between my pinky and the next finger. i got lucky, i can still move and feel. you're a fool about the chain brake blaster.

 

[njarbor]

i dont think i quite got it . are you angry with a chainbrake or saying they are pointless?

 

[NickfromWI]

From what I gathered, he was using a saw that had no chainbrake, then cut himself...perhaps angry at the fact that the saw had no brake on it. then he pointed out that anyone, specifically MasterBlaster is crazy if they use a saw with no chain brake on it.

I agree.

love
nick

 

[njarbor]

ahhhh ok. from the headline and the text i couldnt really understand it.

 

[geofore]

old saws

Old is the key word for the pioneer. Look at the doctor bills when you heal up and get the stiches out and ask yourself," Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a new Dolmar7900 for cutting that firewood?" I did buy a new PP7900 from DozerDan and it has a chainbrake and cuts circles around the Old saws. Just one accident like yours and you should be convinced the Old saws belong in the collectors shop and not out on the job. You can cut yourself with either saw but you are less likely to do anywhere near the damage with a saw that has a chainbrake. It's fun to get the old saws out and use them but they are dangerous with no chainbrake.

It's like your ropes, old was manilia or hemp. New is synthetic and my favorite is Blue Streak. The kids in my neighborhood got my old ropes long ago for rope swings when I went to the new stuff.

May you heal fast and get a new saw to do the firewood.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Well igetbisy, I could call you a fool for cutting yourself, but that wouldn't be very nice at all.

Handling a hotsaw is NOT for the novice!

 

[TimberMcPherson]

Good thing that you work for yourself, no pro would employ someone using that saw.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

MB's junky old saw wouldn't even be good enough for eBay!

 

[SilverBlue]

Perhaps we should hang MB for igetbisy's stupidity! Yah that's sound justice, hang him, shoot him and ask questions latter. HMMM seems that Butch still has all his apendages so who is the fool?

:Monkey: SEE :Monkey: DO

 

[Lumberjack]

Good point, Butch has all his original parts, and you about lost your pinky side of your hand.

Furthermore, if you were not even holding the saw right, (you appear to know how) isn't that a fool's act also. I would think that not holding the saw correctly is more foolish then not having a saftey device that requires you to hold the saw propperly to function properly.

Who's the fool now?


Carl

PS Hope your hand gets better, but it isn't nice to pick a fight with only one hand, and no injury to Butch (recently anyways!!).

 

[Saw Man]

There's an old saying, "Safety sells".

As both saws, and chains are getting more powerful, and faster, it's become more acceptable (smarter) to use safety, safer equipment, with more features, and even cheaper as insurance companies have...had been adjusting rates for 'pro safety' people.

Have seen a only few accidents over the years, and I'm sure many of you have some real live stories that make this pale in comparrison, but will always remember watching a logger trying out a Partner P70 at a dealers in Chester county, PA.

Tall fellow was cross cutting a log in a pile of logs. Thumb in the "Power Grip" position, head/neck correctly to the left side of the bar looking over the log pile.
As he cut down, the tip hit another log, kicked back so fast, and hard, it straightened him up, and he was left holding the saw with the bar up over his head.

Saw had a inertia chain brake, which snapped 'on'.
It happened so fast, almost, 'in the blink of an eye'.
He went home, changed his underwear.
Never will forget that. Made me a work smarter.
So, to all of you, "Cut with safety".

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Saw Man,

A friend of mine had a similar experience with a P100. Is this a Partner thing? This is in the pre-chain/inertia brake days. The saw kicked and his hand slipped off the top handle. He blocked the saw with his left forearm. The saw cut almost through the bone about three inches above his wrist. Bad injury but luckily, no tendon or blood vessels were cut. The bone healed in a few months.

People who don't use brakes are lucky fools. Those of us who use brakes are lucky that we haven't gotten cut. Luck can be stacked in our favor though.

Tom

 

[MasterBlaster]

Hey, I never said my saw was for everybody.

Its MY saw!

Live and learn, igetbizy - sorry 'bout your injury.

 

[Stumper]

I'm already on record supporting chainbrakes but in 30 years of working around chainsaws I can't recall a single kickback incident where a running saw came close to contacting my anatomy-chain moving or braked. I want the brake in place should I ever fail to control a kicking saw, but Igetbisy told us what the real problem was-improper hand positioning.:angel:

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by TimberMcPherson
Good thing that you work for yourself, no pro would employ someone using that saw.

The way I operate its my way or the highway. If whoever I'm subbing for don't like it they keep their mouth shut.

Yo MM if you look close you can see my custom chain brake. I do use it every once in a while, but I guess not as much as you guys.



Thats cool.

 

[TimberMcPherson]

Blaster you remind me of the guys who think not wearing seatbelts, not wearing motorbike helmets and climbing helmets make them tough and they are just the toughest meanest vegative guys in the whole intensive care wards. All of them were tough talkers to.

I have held my climbing partners profusely bleeding head together minutes after they made the sacrastic comment "Nice helmet". I have given a friend CPR on and off for an hour after a bike accident in which he wasnt wearing a helmet that turned his face into a jagged, meaty mess which resulted in his loss of memory, most of his sight and possibility of a normal life.

To many people have died or been maimed in the past due to a lack of saftey equipment or the knowledge to use what was available. To many families have grieved for their manfolk and I know to many foresters that have limited use of there left arm or no left arm or hand or fingers due to saw injuries prior to chainsaw mitts and chainbrakes being compulsory.

Like most guys on here I reckon have seen enough and know enough to make my own decisions.
But I also have great respect for my peers and value what they have to share as it all relates to my quality of work, safety and bottom line. Im also man enough to take advice from those who have learned the long or hard way.

 

[Saw Man]

Master Blaster,
Certainly respect your right to 'operate' your way, and do at times enjoy some of your posts & replies.

When safety chain, and chain brakes started to become mandatory, I can remember the dealers, and some loggers at some of the shows really going off on a tangent about, 'forced safety, and higher costs' due to the R&D, and parts.

Today, almost 22 years of being in this business, I still see some of those dealers, who have changed their minds due to their customers either being hurt, or saved by some safety feature.

I personally HAD a hard time, "buckling up". Till my strong strapping son was laying in the emergency room with broken neck bones. C2 & C3. C2 is the one that kills you the most, as it's referred to as the "Hangmans Bone".

He got "T Boned" by a Chevy Blazer on the right side. Got hit so hard, that anyone in the passenger front or rear would have been instantly killed. The front air bags went off, which isn't really supposed to happen unless a total destruct has occured.
Both the Blazer, and his newer car were totalled on the spot.

Admit I don't always 'remember' to wear my seat belt, but I do it alot more each day.

So, if we both practice more safety, we certainly will be able to keep typing with all our fingers, hands, etc.
I'd like to keep reading your posts for many more years, or if we ever meet, we can count all of each others 10 complete fingers, hands, etc.

 

[Base]

hey masterblaster, having viewed the pic of your saw, do you ever get any chain creap?

mmm nice slack chain........