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For those of you have done lot clearing, I'm just wondering how you have charged? By the tree or by the hour. I know there are a lot of variables like stumps, hauling and whatnot but I would like to know how you have charged in the past. I have 2 lots to look at tomorrow and would just like some ideas on what to look for and how some of you bid these jobs.
 
by the acre. I would highly advise not bidding by the hour or by the tree, because what one guy can produce in an hour the next guy can produce 10 times the amount with the right equipment. Put a price on what the customer wants done. Its up to you to get it completed efficiently.

If its smaller than an acre . I bid it like any other job, how long will it take and how much equipment will I need on site.

Last Thursday we did 2 acres for a horse pasture. Mostly oak, few cherry, few sassafrass + underbrush. Nothing over 28" DBH. One day all trees were gone. 8 men. 7 trucks, 1 grapple loader, 1 chipper 1 stump grinder. The following day all stumps were ground by man. 5k an acre. all chips blown in the woods. Nothing but log trucks. Gotta love it!
 
Last Thursday we did 2 acres for a horse pasture. Mostly oak, few cherry, few sassafrass + underbrush. Nothing over 28" DBH. One day all trees were gone. 8 men. 7 trucks, 1 grapple loader, 1 chipper 1 stump grinder. The following day all stumps were ground by man. 5k an acre. all chips blown in the woods. Nothing but log trucks. Gotta love it!

I'm assuming a coupla skidsteers on site as well? That's how I've always done it with the old boss. I flop 'em and the skidsteer shoves the tops into the chipper and sets the wood by the log truck or off to the side for later pickup. He priced by the acre as well.

I've priced a few small lots in residential areas and always just figured out the amount of time I'd have in the jobs and base my quote on that. If I can't make as much as I normally would in residential work it's not really worth it to me.
 
Per hour, per man. Or per hour, per machine. This is an unusual scenario, though. It seems no one around here trusts a tree company to work hard on an hourly basis.

All this kind of work that I have done (except for big contracts) is by the job. I then walk through the entire project and divide the job up into as many details as I can. Usually I count all the trees and divide into 3 sizes. After I have looked at everything, then I assign a price for each size of tree removal based on the difficulties on site. Multiply tree value times your tree count.

Add roadtime to and fro, equipment mobilization, disposal charges if any. Add a "wasted time" factor to help cover the probable losses. Then add it all up.

That was method #1.

Method #2: break the job into acres/day or square feet per day, given the crew and equipment that you will likely use. This is very helpful if you have similar jobs to compare it with. Figure out how long you will be there, multiply by your rate per hour for your crew. Add in roadtime, disposal charges, and breakdown time.

Method #3: form a wild-ass guess as to how much you think it is worth, tempered your previous experience and by what the customer will probably be willing to pay. It helps to know what the competition is likely to bid.

Compare notes & prices on methods 1,2, and 3. Tweak numbers on all of them until you decide what to bid. By comparing different methods, you will likely reveal glaring faults in any one method. If the final bids are all wildly different, you haven't thought about it enough.
 
I'm with Tom here.

I would figure what you need per day, taxing them for a half day or so to cover your ass. Loads can usually be more than you figured, may wanna tax them there too.

If you have access to a Bobcat, it sure makes good time of it. Just need to figure it in with the bid.

You ever hirer a grappler for jobs like this?

At first I never liked lot clearing bids but if bidded right, it can be a good profit and brainless work, ya know for the most part.
 
A little more info

A little more info:

This is for an investor that I do work for. He is a paint contractor that has about 30 crews doing commercial work. I have done quite a bit of work for him before on his investment properties as well as his and his mother's personal houses. If I give him a reasonable quote I can probably win the bid with no competition. That is if he moves forward with the project. I'm not sure if he owns the property yet or not but it is in a very high end suburb (still kind of rural) of my city. I get the feeling that he is just running the numbers right now before he makes a decision to go forward with the project or not. He didn't feel it urgent enough to pull me away from what I was working on today even though I offered to meet with him. I am guessing that it is for a home building project and he said the neighbor is interested in having his lot cleared as well. Could be a joint venture. I'm not sure how big the lots are but I imagine it will be selective clearing. I'll just have to look it over tomorrow when I meet him at 9 AM.

I have bid a few lot clearing jobs before but have never won a bid. Not really my end of the business but if I can make a profit I'll do it. Thanks for all the input and I'm still open to advice.
 
I'd still figure in a bobcat and maybe even a grappler. Then it could be just you and one other guy.
I'm picturing no climbing, just a bunch of underbrush with a few old stumps and a few old down snags.
 
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What do you guys use for yanking stumps on these. I have used skid steer for small stumps but I am not sure how big a stump they can remove. Horse pasture so grinding is out of the question.
 
What do you guys use for yanking stumps on these. I have used skid steer for small stumps but I am not sure how big a stump they can remove. Horse pasture so grinding is out of the question.
Just curious...Why is grinding stumps out of the question?
 
depends. IF it is NICE good wood straight trees, be lucky to be cutting it. Around here sometimes you have to pay to clear the lot, depends how much wood is on the site and what the wood is worth. Most of the time around here if it is good wood, if you can claer the lot for free (and you get to keep the wood) you are doing good. That is cutting the stumps down low and piling the brush in a pile to burn. If you have to pull stumps, fill with dirt and remove the brush then you might get paid to clear the lot.
 
depends. IF it is NICE good wood straight trees, be lucky to be cutting it. Around here sometimes you have to pay to clear the lot, depends how much wood is on the site and what the wood is worth. Most of the time around here if it is good wood, if you can claer the lot for free (and you get to keep the wood) you are doing good. That is cutting the stumps down low and piling the brush in a pile to burn. If you have to pull stumps, fill with dirt and remove the brush then you might get paid to clear the lot.
LOL Man you guys are wood whores huh?
 
It'd be nice to add a truck boom in the middle to bring the logs to with the grappled skid steer if there is the opportunity to get it in there.
 
depends. IF it is NICE good wood straight trees, be lucky to be cutting it. Around here sometimes you have to pay to clear the lot, depends how much wood is on the site and what the wood is worth. Most of the time around here if it is good wood, if you can claer the lot for free (and you get to keep the wood) you are doing good. That is cutting the stumps down low and piling the brush in a pile to burn. If you have to pull stumps, fill with dirt and remove the brush then you might get paid to clear the lot.

Hey, come on down, you can have all the wood you want for free! :D

JK bro. Around here no one does the work for just the wood unless it is someone wanting firewood and then your not going to get them to take it all on a job of this magnitude.
 
someone wanting firewood and then your not going to get them to take it all on a job of this magnitude.

Ha ha. They never understand the amount of wood that is there, do they? We did a lot clearing a week or so back that took 2.5 days. The majority of that time I spent cutting trees and limbing them up for the skidsteer with grapple to shove through the chipper. Anything smaller than 10 inches we chipped. Everything else we stacked to the side because the customer wanted all the firewood. Ha ha ha!!!! At the end of the job he asked, "So what do you think you cut, about 75 trees?" I look around at triaxle load after triaxle load of wood that's piled up near the edge of the clearing and thought he was joking. I say, "Um, I knocked over at LEAST 75 this morning and it's only 10 o' clock. He stood there quiet for awhile while as he surveyed the amount of wood he had to process. Even though it was mostly oak I bet he won't even use half of it before it rots. No idea.
 
Ha ha. They never understand the amount of wood that is there, do they? We did a lot clearing a week or so back that took 2.5 days. The majority of that time I spent cutting trees and limbing them up for the skidsteer with grapple to shove through the chipper. Anything smaller than 10 inches we chipped. Everything else we stacked to the side because the customer wanted all the firewood. Ha ha ha!!!! At the end of the job he asked, "So what do you think you cut, about 75 trees?" I look around at triaxle load after triaxle load of wood that's piled up near the edge of the clearing and thought he was joking. I say, "Um, I knocked over at LEAST 75 this morning and it's only 10 o' clock. He stood there quiet for awhile while as he surveyed the amount of wood he had to process. Even though it was mostly oak I bet he won't even use half of it before it rots. No idea.
That's when he should let another wood
buddy or two in on it and get-r-don.
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Got it

I got the job for $5500.

Wasn't really a lot clearing just the fence line on an acre. Only 2 sides of the fence really need to be cleared, front is clean and I've got about 3 decent sized shrubs to take out on the third side. Biggest tree on this lot is 1' diameter. I have to do about 20' of clearing on the fence line of the neighbor to the East and I've got one tree that is about 2' dbh to take down from over a metal building and 2 more about a foot dbh and some scrubby stuff in the fence line. We decided it would be best to replace the guys fence and drop all the trees instead of me having to get up there and rope everything down from over the building.. I've got about 50' of scrubby stuff to clear from the neighbor's to the West as well. Biggest tree is about 8" there. Plus I have to haul away some landscaping debris from the previous owner. My client is paying for it all. Three days with me and two guys tops. Turns out my client bought this property to build a shop for his painting company. He wants all the scrubby stuff cleared out for aesthetic reasons around his shop and put a billboard up to advertise his business on the back fence line that backs up to a major highway. He closes the deal on the property in three weeks and told me to write it down on my calendar. Plus he wasn't happy with the construction company's bid who was out there the same time I was doing my bid. I referred him to a close, personal friend who is a commercial builder to build his metal building. looks like he is getting that job and I will get a hefty referral fee for that as well. With the two other bids that came in today (one commercial and one residential) and the two small jobs I did today it has turned out to be a very lucrative day. Went from daylight till an hour after dark today. Thank God for the busy season!

Thanks to all for your advice. You guys rock!
 

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