Need Help With 361

[deezulsmoke]

I am getting ready to buy a 28" bar with skip chain for my 361. I am wondering if I can run the stock sprocket with this bar or if I need to purchase a different sprocket, I have noticed some people are running a different tooth sprocket on the 361 with a 28" bar. Does anyone also know which sprocket I would need from Baileys to purchase along with the bar and chains ??

Thanks Alot
Matt

 

[njforestfire]

As long as the drives on the chain are the same size (thickness... as in .050, .058 ect. ect.) then yes.

 

[CaseyForrest]

Rims and spurs dont care about gauge (.50, .58, or .63) Just pitch.

If you are running 3/8, than you can run 3/8 as many drivers as you want.

I think what you are referring to is either a 7 tooth rim or 8 tooth rim. On a 28" bar on the 361youll want to stick to the 7 tooth. On shorter bars, say 16" to 20" you can step up to an 8 tooth rim to get some chain speed. But keep in mind any increase in chain speed is a decrease in useable torque.

 

[deezulsmoke]

What do you all think about a 32" bar on the 361 ?? Baileys is out of the 28" carlton premium bars that are on special. This bar will rarely be used, just once in a while for really big stuff around the house. Thanks for the advice everyone.

 

[CaseyForrest]

I think thats pushing it. Ive had a 28" with full skip on my 361, and it got the job done, surprisingly well.

Only one way to find out though.

 

[BostonBull]

I would say a 32" will be useless on that saw, even with full skip. Why no go to where you bought the saw and buy a 28" from them.

 

[Lakeside53]

yep.. 28 is pretty much max... Just cut from both sides.

 

[fishhuntcutwood]

Yeah, 32" is too much for that saw, and I'm a long bar, West Coast guy saying that. The 361 will pull that 28" in soft wood fairly easily, and Casey ran his with a 28". But I don't even run a 32" on my 440. That's for the 460. I run my 361 with a 24". If I need 28", I go for the 440, but the 361 would do it. The 32" with that saw would work you harder than need be. Plus, the saw would hate it.

 

[B_Turner]

Oh I say go ahead and buy the 32 incher. The 361 won't pull it great, but we all know it is only a matter of time before you have a bigger saw to run it on. I can tell you want the 32 - and Christmas is coming up.

 

[deezulsmoke]

Baileys had there premium sprocket tip titanium bars on sale for forty bucks for the 32" bar. I wanted there 28" bar they had on sale for thirty bucks but they are out of them. I think the 32 would be to much for that saw also, I just hate to pass up the deals they are having right now on there bars.

 

[CaseyForrest]

Baileys had there premium sprocket tip titanium bars on sale for forty bucks for the 32" bar. I wanted there 28" bar they had on sale for thirty bucks but they are out of them. I think the 32 would be to much for that saw also, I just hate to pass up the deals they are having right now on there bars.

Well you know you are going to be getting a bigger saw, so stock up now on the parts to get it going.

 

[B_Turner]

Baileys had there premium sprocket tip titanium bars on sale for forty bucks for the 32" bar. I wanted there 28" bar they had on sale for thirty bucks but they are out of them. I think the 32 would be to much for that saw also, I just hate to pass up the deals they are having right now on there bars.

If you are already putting in an order (already paying shipping) then I still say what the hey. Add a 32 to your budding bar collection. I have a couple of those bars and they are a great deal. Course I run them on my 066 or 395. Bars are a slippery slope, though and lead to more and bigger saws. But I still say what the hey. Bars don't take up much space, and are really quiet at night.

 

[wagonwheeler]

Buy a 36" and hang it on the wall till you get a 660. In the meantime it'll look good and is cheaper than most artwork...

Or get the 32" and wait on a 460...

FWIW, I saw a new Stihl 28" sell for $39 buy it now on ebay. I passed since I was looking for a 32 or 36 at the time. It actually stayed out there for nearly a week. So if you want a 28" you can find one.

You can probably get a used 24/25 here on AS pretty cheap. Very popular size.

Most I'll put on my 361 is a 25 w/ skip.

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[CaseyForrest]

If you are already putting in an order (already paying shipping) then I still say what the hey. Add a 32 to your budding bar collection. I have a couple of those bars and they are a great deal. Course I run them on my 066 or 395. Bars are a slippery slope, though and lead to more and bigger saws. But I still say what the hey. Bars don't take up much space, and are really quiet at night.

I picked up one of those Carlton bars in 36". Couldnt pass on the price.

 

[wagonwheeler]

I picked up one of those Carlton bars in 36". Couldnt pass on the price.

ME TOO!! (but you already knew that!)

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[deezulsmoke]

Man you all talked me into buying the 361 and now I am already wanting a new 441 LOL Really a 660 Does anyone know any other places where they have any good deals on bars like the carltons ??

 

[B_Turner]

One thing to think about ahead of time on your 32 and up inch bars: What gauge you are going to run. That Carlton bar (and their 36 inch) comes in a .050 gauge, but in general (Oregon, Stihl) bars longer than 32 are easier to find in .063 except for Canon. I buy my chain by the reel, and run .063 full skip square for my longer bars. I have both .050 and .063 32 inch bars, but I now wish I had planned ahead more and stuck to one gauge above 28 inch. Up through 28 inch I usually run full comp .050.

Bottom line is over time I have more money tied up in chain than bars, so I could have simplified my life a little had I planned ahead with the gauge. Not that big a deal, just thought I'd mention it in case it helped you plan better than I did.

 

[B_Turner]

I wanted to give a more clear example of what I mean in terms of gauge.


Since I run both .050 and .063 gauge 32 inch bars, and I typically have at least 7-8 chains of each size, I have to have chains for each bar cause they are different sizes. Extra cost and complexity. Since I run lots of sized bars and both huskies and stihls which don't use the same number of drive links for certain bar sizes (like 28 inch bars) I already have more chains to deal with than I would like.

If I could do it over again I would have picked 32 inch bars and up in the same gauge. But deals that that Carlton are difficult to resist. Wish they had a 50 inch. Want one real bad but don't want to lay out $250 for a Canon (Woodsman pro). And to use my same reels and to be able to use my grinders as is I would probably opt for a 3/8 instead of a .404 on a 50 inch even though it would be geared a bit taller than ideal.

 

[computeruser]

Bottom line is over time I have more money tied up in chain than bars, so I could have simplified my life a little had I planned ahead with the gauge. Not that big a deal, just thought I'd mention it in case it helped you plan better than I did.

Amen!

It's the silly stuff like that that ends up costin' ya AND annoying ya. My 28" Stihl bars are 91dl .050, my 28" Dolmar is 93dl .050, and my 25" big-mount Stihl is 91dl .063. Shoot, if I had it all to do over again the Dolmar would run a Stihl-mount bar adapter and share bars with the 066 and 044, and all of 'em would run .063. That way I'd only have to keep 1 type of loop around instead of three (and if I wanted to run a mix of skip and full-comp, that number would be greater still).

Live and learn, I guess.

 

[SawTroll]

Rims and spurs dont care about gauge (.50, .58, or .63) Just pitch.

If you are running 3/8, than you can run 3/8 as many drivers as you want.

I think what you are referring to is either a 7 tooth rim or 8 tooth rim. On a 28" bar on the 361youll want to stick to the 7 tooth. On shorter bars, say 16" to 20" you can step up to an 8 tooth rim to get some chain speed. But keep in mind any increase in chain speed is a decrease in useable torque.

My wood is mainly birch.

I use 7 pin exclusively with the 18" bar on my 361, and 7 or 8 with the 15", depending on the application.

If you use 18 - 20" bars for limbing, it may be OK with 8 pin, but definately not for full bar cuts, or anything close to it.