New 084 for milling

[ppj690]

Hi guys just won an 084 primarily to be used for milling and just need some advice...

Firstly, is it a good buy for a milling application?
Secondly, looking for a bar and ripping chain for it as it doesnt come with one...I assume it has a .404 sprocket as standard, should I go for a .404 sprocket nosed bar or convert to a 3/8 sprocket and bar.?

Thanks

James

 

[mtngun]

It is a decent saw though replacement parts are drying up.

3/8 chain. No advantage to .404

 

[ppj690]

Great, thats all i wanted to know

Thanks

James

 

[ppj690]

Thought I would post some pics of my new milling saw, it arrived yesterday.
Bar and chain arrive tomorrow.
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Should be a little different to my 034av..!

James

 

[HEAVY FUEL]

Can't tell ya anything about milling, but alot of people think the oiler button on a 084 is a pump, which it is not. You just hold it down and it allows max oil flow to the bar. Your probably it aware of that already tho...

 

[ppj690]

Ah...Thanks, I too thought it was a pump, so good to know it can be held down constantly.
Does anyone know if this is enough for a 36" bar with the oiler set to max...? when in a milling situation?

James

 

[HEAVY FUEL]

Ah...Thanks, I too thought it was a pump, so good to know it can be held down constantly.
Does anyone know if this is enough for a 36" bar with the oiler set to max...? when in a milling situation?

James

I guess it depends how serious you get at milling, I'm sure it would be enough for a 36. I think most dedicated millers opt for the additional oiler on the other end of the bar just to help out. I'm sure other will start adding opinions pretty soon here.

 

[john taliaferro]

Yep we run a 36 " on a 660 and drip ,drip , drip on the bar with veg oil or canoil or used peanut oil . Ive got the oiler turned up half way because good bar oil is 16.00 $ and i get a lot of peanut oil free . Drain it out after use because it gets thick and stickey over the months of setting in summer when not used for a long period . We use to just squirt oil on the tip of bar and that worked ok but was a hassel and took two people to keep from leaving a bump in the slab .

 

[ppj690]

Great... Thanks for the tip. You are right, bar oil is expensive, will get the Granberg aux oiler and fill it with cheap veg oil. :msp_thumbup:

 

[FlyMats]

Yep we run a 36 " on a 660 and drip ,drip , drip on the bar with veg oil or canoil or used peanut oil . Ive got the oiler turned up half way because good bar oil is 16.00 $ and i get a lot of peanut oil free . Drain it out after use because it gets thick and stickey over the months of setting in summer when not used for a long period . We use to just squirt oil on the tip of bar and that worked ok but was a hassel and took two people to keep from leaving a bump in the slab .

Very smart solution there, will try that too

 

[jnl502]

I think a nose oiler is the only way to go. That is where it is needed the most. My saw is set atless than half. The top of the bar don't need much.
jnl
BTW nice saw. I have one though I don,t mill with it because it is to hard to crank. I think I need to put a base gasket under the cyl. Good luck!

 

[BobL]

Ah...Thanks, I too thought it was a pump, so good to know it can be held down constantly.
Does anyone know if this is enough for a 36" bar with the oiler set to max...? when in a milling situation?

James

I don't think manual oilers at the powerhead end are worth much. The last thing you want to be doing while is bending over and operating an oiler on the powerhead, but more importantly relatively little extra bar oil added on the non-cutting side of the bar makes it around to the cutting side of the bar. It's much more effective and less wasteful if an aux oiler is located at the nose end once the chain has gone around the noise. This puts the oil on the cutting side and relatively little oil is needed at this point.

 

[WidowMaker1]

i would of thought the 084's oiler button would be able to lock down to full flow like the 3120's, on the 3120 you just flick the oiler lever to the side with thumb and it stays locked full open until you press it in to release it ..... . .

my own thoughts on the extra oil from the powerhead ..are yes some oil gets flung at the nose, because theres more Oil flowing naturally, but also beneficially, because before it gets flung its filled the inside of the bar rails on the non-cutting side of the bar with a good flow of oil in abundance, coating the tangs & up into drives of the chain ...giving the chain a good soak and should be helping in the cooling of the chain before it gets to the cutting side

even if its flung off at the nose, the extra oil the chain runs threw before the nose would still be contributing to oiling and cooling the chain. imo Wasteful maybe, but then again i like more oil wherever i can get it,

... ....but then with the auxiliary oiler we get the best of both worlds.

 

[BobL]

Sometimes I doubt whether much oil at all gets to the non cutting let alone cutting side of the bar of any CS. The oil only floods the bar groove for a short distance and then the chain exits the bar groove and runs naked for about 6" out of the groove and I don't see a lot of oil being carried around the drive sprocket by the chain. The greatest angular acceleration of a chain does not even occur at the nose but at the drive sprocket which has a much smaller radius than a nose sprocket (and is after the oil is delivered to the chain) so the centrifugal forces are much greater at the drive than nose sprocket. I have always noticed more oil coming off at the drive than nose sprocket. I even got my oil supplier to double the amount of tackifier but that didn't see to do that much.

 

[WidowMaker1]

Sometimes I doubt whether much oil at all gets to the non cutting let alone cutting side of the bar of any CS. The oil only floods the bar groove for a short distance and then the chain exits the bar groove and runs naked for about 6" out of the groove and I don't see a lot of oil being carried around the drive sprocket by the chain. The greatest angular acceleration of a chain does not even occur at the nose but at the drive sprocket which has a much smaller radius than a nose sprocket (and is after the oil is delivered to the chain) so the centrifugal forces are much greater at the drive than nose sprocket. I have always noticed more oil coming off at the drive than nose sprocket. I even got my oil supplier to double the amount of tackifier but that didn't see to do that much.

interesting points, lot of the old farmers around here take a bucket of oil with them, to dip the bar tip into when splitting posts. old schoolers love there oil, guess thats where i get it from.

I'll have to take some pics of the 3120 after I give it a flogging mate, its always delivered a huge amount of oil for me, just by normal feed, even more when i open up the oiler to full lock (by memory i think the 3120 delivers more than most) even after a long hard cut the tangs are still nice and wet, which i love ...give it a rev out of the cut and its dripping oil, add an auxiliary and its got more oil than george bush.

I found the 066 and 038 were lacking in the oil delivery feed, they seemed only slightly wet but adequate for cross cut, the bar/chain was always much hotter on them compared to the 395/3120. (nothing a auxiliary oiler won't fix in a milling situation)
actually out of the stihls i always prefered using the 076 with the manual pumper, tho the 076's oil feed is pissy without pumping the oil button
...shore i had to pump it a few times regularly but the chain was always wet. (sounds naughty. lol)

 

[ppj690]

Wow, thanks for all the great info guys. Aux oiler for the nose it is then...With the powerhead oiler turned down a tad...?
Not made my first cut with it yet, as cant find anything big enough yet...Have a large dead oak in the woods I will attempt when I get a day off. Looking forward to it!
Got a bar and chain for it yesterday, heavy would be an understatement!!! :help:

 

[jnl502]

Sounds like you are ready. Make sure to snap some pictures.
Have fun and be safe.
jnl