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Hello everyone! New to this site and also new to running my own business. For starters...I am 27 years old and have worked for my family's logging business since I was tall enough to reach the clutch on the skidder. Have helped with that all through college and actually quit my full time job as a physical therapist assistant to go back to logging. I am currently now back doing physical therapy, but have started my own tree trimming business as a side job/possible future full time gig. Mainly not going back to logging due to the fact that working for your father can be very trying...very very trying. Anyways was looking for some tips. I have been at this for about a year and have accumulated climbing and rigging gear, several saws, a 2-ton chipper truck, and chipper. Am thinking bout going the bucket truck/chipper dump route, but am a little leery to make the plunge. Any suggestions? Thanks!!
 
Hello everyone! New to this site and also new to running my own business. For starters...I am 27 years old and have worked for my family's logging business since I was tall enough to reach the clutch on the skidder. Have helped with that all through college and actually quit my full time job as a physical therapist assistant to go back to logging. I am currently now back doing physical therapy, but have started my own tree trimming business as a side job/possible future full time gig. Mainly not going back to logging due to the fact that working for your father can be very trying...very very trying. Anyways was looking for some tips. I have been at this for about a year and have accumulated climbing and rigging gear, several saws, a 2-ton chipper truck, and chipper. Am thinking bout going the bucket truck/chipper dump route, but am a little leery to make the plunge. Any suggestions? Thanks!!

Forestry trucks (bucket trucks w/ chip boxes) are usually more expensive than just a bucket/aerial lift truck, but are nice on bigger jobs to be able to chip into two trucks instead of one. My personal favorite is the Terex Tellelect Hi-rangers, they just seem beefier. If' you're a bigger guy, round booms seem to be a little bouncier -- plus round booms are notorious for getting micro-cracks in them, which doesn't affect them structurally I don't think, but water does get in, causing them to fail diellectrics tests. So not as good for line-clearing jobs imo.

having a bucket truck and a chip truck is imo the best way to do it, because its easier to position the bucket truck as needed for the aerial work, and then you can put the chip truck and chipper in the best spot for the ground guys to chip into. Doesn't work as easy if you're only running a forestry truck, because then you're trying to do both with the same truck, which rarely works as well. When our chip trucks been in the shop, I've climbed when I could have used the aerial lift, so that its easier on the groundguys, which has made the whole project go faster than if they would have had to drag everything to the back of the bucket truck to chip into.

If its a side-business, keep that in mind, don't over-extend your credit or have too many things you're paying taxes, insurance, and maintenance on -- if you're a great climber, maybe get a log truck with a lightning loader/clam/grapple for getting rid of big stuff, and you might even be able to get your name out there faster by hauling loads for other treeservices etc. Plus those big grapple trucks are awesome for big storm cleanups.

Keep your stuff looking as nice as possible with your name and phone number on it though, because people will see it.
 
That's a good idea. My concern at this time is that I do a lot of the.work by myself right now. I do have.one.guy who helps me once and a while but can't drive bigger trucks (too scared I guess) That is why I like.the bucket truck idea. I may wait.till next spring rolls around to see.how busy I get before I drop the hammer on anything anyhow. Can u find a storm cleanup rig wit the booms.mounted behind the cab so that maybe.the back could open to hope chips into. That would be.pretty nice.
 
That's a good idea. My concern at this time is that I do a lot of the.work by myself right now. I do have.one.guy who helps me once and a while but can't drive bigger trucks (too scared I guess) That is why I like.the bucket truck idea. I may wait.till next spring rolls around to see.how busy I get before I drop the hammer on anything anyhow. Can u find a storm cleanup rig wit the booms.mounted behind the cab so that maybe.the back could open to hope chips into. That would be.pretty nice.

thats a good idea, but going to be REALLY expensive to set up because if you put chips in, its going to have to be able to dump. Alot of log/grapple trucks dont dump, you just use the grapple and boom to pull them out. I'm sure it can be done though. Or worst case, if you found a nice truck that didnt dump, you could fab a partition cage really easily, set it in the front of the box when your chipping into it, and have a cable with a hook run down the floor of the box and just pull them out; then use the grapple to set it back into the truck when your done. We used to have a trailer (that didnt dump) like that which we had a full time shrub guy running (he didn't have a CDL and couldn't drive bucket trucks either).

Another option for you since you have a guy that doesnt drive big trucks is get a dump trailer for logs, but then you have to get a skidloader as well. I personally hate dump trailers because they are harder to back into places than my one ton dump truck which serves the same purpose. And they are fairly expensive when they are new.
 
Thanks for the great info Iustinian. I must be getting the climbing bug or something because anymore at my full time job all I can think of is the next time I will be clipped in to the canopy of a tree. My next question is how do I get my father, who is a full time logger, to understand why I trim trees and am not out there running a skidder or feller buncher for him in my spare time. I now am supporting a family and am able to make better money working for myself and also get along better with myself than I do with him while working. There is also something to be said about learning how to run a business and all that goes with it. Was wondering if anyone else has been in this position before and what to do. I did enjoy logging, just not for him...surely someone out there has worked for a family member and didn't always get along. How do you get them to understand?
 
Thanks for the great info Iustinian. I must be getting the climbing bug or something because anymore at my full time job all I can think of is the next time I will be clipped in to the canopy of a tree. My next question is how do I get my father, who is a full time logger, to understand why I trim trees and am not out there running a skidder or feller buncher for him in my spare time. I now am supporting a family and am able to make better money working for myself and also get along better with myself than I do with him while working. There is also something to be said about learning how to run a business and all that goes with it. Was wondering if anyone else has been in this position before and what to do. I did enjoy logging, just not for him...surely someone out there has worked for a family member and didn't always get along. How do you get them to understand?

aaaah, being bitten by the climbing bug....hahaha. I have several friends who I've met in this industry, and they wound up going other directions -- one's a painter, one owns a satellite bizz, etc. Great climbers though. They come back and climb with us once in a while to scratch the climbing itch lol. There's nothing like climbing -- and the realization that you are providing the care for a living thing that has the potential to live hundreds of years, not too many professions can say that (quote from John Ball)

I tried logging, being a cutter -- IT WASNT FOR ME lol. Some people (many times its family) are better off getting smaller doses of each other hahaha. There's been more than one person that I would fight tooth and nail with while working together, but get along great when we dont have to work around each other; sometimes its just unavoidable.

Running a business isn't just getting a call and doing the work and getting paid. Obviously lol. So much can happen in one day, and you're constantly responsible. There's been times I miss the freedom of being just an employee -- not being able to go get drunk anytime you want, answering the phone constantly and having to listen to people and come up with an answer off the cuff everytime that they are going to be happy with. Making mistakes, or the days when the guys working for you wind up taking home more at the end of the day than you.

Good luck though, you've obviously found what your passion is, and I really hope you'll be able to follow thru with it and make your living off of it. Just dont be too hasty because tree service is usually "feast or famine". You could be overwhelmed with so much work one month, and the next month you may not get one call. Several threads people are talking about getting equipment that allows them to do many different jobs, just in case. Not a bad example to follow IMO.
 
My next question is how do I get my father, who is a full time logger, to understand why I trim trees and am not out there running a skidder or feller buncher for him in my spare time....How do you get them to understand?

Maybe letting him know that you're getting paid $2000 to take down one tree, instead of getting paid $2000 to cut down 100 trees hahahaha.
 

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