new cliimbing rope, ideas?

[wahlturfcare]

im needing some new climbing rope in the next week and was wondering what everyone else thinks is a good line(brand, etc) to use?
Also, does having a split tail on one end really make it worth having over non split?
My other ropes are all 1/2'' non spit tail ropes but are starting to show their age.

 

[TDunk]

I've used Black Max (witch i believe is made my Yale) from Baileys and have had good luck with it for the price. I also have used Lightning brand with real good luck. It's a firmer rope but holds up real good.

 

[Wolfking42084]

I have been using kermantle for about 5 years now. Basically used it because of its tensile strength(9,600). I have talked myself into making that my rigging ropes and switching to some samson ropes for climbing. I am mainly looking for something 150' long and definitely something that will not stretch much. You may want to try some brand that has kernmantle in it. Just my opinion.

 

[Adkpk]

Sherrill's lava with beeline split tail was my latest buy. I am happy with the combo. Really like the reduction from the bulkiness of the half inch line. Not to mention the little extra stiffness helps control the line a bit better. Good luck on your buy.

 

[pdqdl]

Regarding ropes: I started a thread a while back on this topic, I got almost as many opinions as there are varieties of rope. Lots of expert opinions on different rope here: http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=76534&highlight=arborplex

Here is the best description I have seen regarding split tail or conventional climbing rig:
http://www.wesspur.com/info/split-tail-fixed-climbing.html

I think they put too much emphasis on the need to shorten the rope, and the advantage of being able to redirect your climbing line without re-tying cannot be measured.

If you re-tie 6 times in one tree, how long does it take you to re-tie each time? How often do you take the long way around a problem so as to avoid re-tying? What is your time worth?

Another carabiner is less than $20.00, and I'll bet you have a chunk of extra rope laying around that you could make the split tail with.

 

[Nailsbeats]

im needing some new climbing rope in the next week and was wondering what everyone else thinks is a good line(brand, etc) to use?
Also, does having a split tail on one end really make it worth having over non split?
My other ropes are all 1/2'' non spit tail ropes but are starting to show their age.

By split tail do you mean spliced eye, perhaps? Just wondering, because your split tail and climbing line are two separate lines. I use New England Hi-vee and am very happy with it's durability and weight, considering it's a 1/2" line.

I use a double fisherman knot to terminate my climbing line, when you slip it off the crab it will pull apart with one swipe of the hand.

There are as many opinions as there are ropes.

 

[oldirty]

i just bought 120ft of true blue and 150ft of the safety blue.


i am too big for the smaller diameter line, it kills my hands.



hey nails, i thought you were true blue guy.

 

[Nailsbeats]

i just bought 120ft of true blue and 150ft of the safety blue.


i am too big for the smaller diameter line, it kills my hands.



hey nails, i thought you were true blue guy.

I have an 80' and 120' True Blue and an 95' and 150' New England Hi-vee. I have been running the Hi-vee lately, especially now that I am using a Spiderjack. With the new setup I am wanting to try some Velocity too.

True Blue does offer good "grippability" and is a man's rope, but I'm just a boy, lol.

 

[oldirty]

spider jack?? do tell.


you like it? gonna have to go look it up.

 

[Nailsbeats]

Check out the Art Gadget thread, it's all there. It's da bomb, lol.

 

[(WLL)]

SAMSON The strongest name in rope

 

[md_tree_dood]

The fact that anyone is still climbing on 1/2 inch line with a split tail should warn you right now that they are old school and aren't interested in learning anything new or doing anything the easy way. If they are climbing on a closed system, well I don't even know what to say about that.

1/2 inch line weighs more than smaller diameter and any extra strength it offers is beyond the ANSI and EU standards. I use lava which is 11.5-11.7. It's slightly smaller than 1/2" line, but weighs 30% less than most 1/2" lines (4.7lbs per 100ft I believe). The weight becomes a lifesaver when lifting tools aloft. It also has considerably less stretch than lines like highvee, safety blue, etc, which is also a big deal when climbing.

As far as the split tail, get rid of it and get an eye to eye. Even the schwabish is better than a blakes hitch and thats saying something since it's the worst knot you can tie with an eye2eye. E2E's keep you closer to your rope so when you sit into your line you don't drop down as far which is useful in any number of ways. Not to mention once your done using it for climbing you can use it as part of a self tending 3to1 or 5to1 to pull a tree over

Sorry for the rant.


As far as lines go, I'd suggest lava, poison ivy, velocity, or blaze.

As far as E2E's, I'd suggest tenex, ice, or technura

Oh yeah, as has been stated before, you most likely mean, spliced eye. Well worth the money, on at least one end, some lines you can get both ends spliced.

 

[UrbanLogger]

Ditch the split tail, go with an eye to eye. I climb on a VT, I tie mine my self out of bulk HRC (made by New England) Imo there is nothing better than HRC. As for climbing line, right now i'm using All Gear's "NeoPro" 11.5mm, 16 strand. It is a smaller dia. 16 strand rope, so its constructed like most 1/2 in lines, only smaller. The worst problem i've had thus far is it twists, or hockels really bad on descent, which gets caught in my hitch climber pulley. It also milked out really badly after the first few uses, but its fine now (in that regard) it also seems to be holding up really well.
I used to climb on Lime Lite 24 (by Yale) it is a 24 strand 11.7mm line, it held up quite well, had no real problems but it did milk out pretty bad at first. I still have it, I wanted to try something new. I like it enough to buy 200 feet of Blue Moon (same rope/diff color) for those really tall trees.

Either way, I always buy rope with a spliced eye in it, i hate having a bulky knot right in front of me. Mush easier to buy the splice than do it, some of these new ropes are a pain to splice.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Nailsbeats]

The fact that anyone is still climbing on 1/2 inch line with a split tail should warn you right now that they are old school and aren't interested in learning anything new or doing anything the easy way. If they are climbing on a closed system, well I don't even know what to say about that.

Is that what that indicates? :monkey: It could be the dudes just haven't been exposed to it or don't trust the new gadgets.

 

[TreeTopKid]

i just bought 120ft of true blue and 150ft of the safety blue.


i am too big for the smaller diameter line, it kills my hands.



hey nails, i thought you were true blue guy.

Have you tried those cotten goloves with silicon palms? AWESOME! I wear them everywhere now LOL! Seriously though no more calouses! $2.97 HOME DEPOT!

 

[UrbanLogger]

I have been using kermantle for about 5 years now. Basically used it because of its tensile strength(9,600). I have talked myself into making that my rigging ropes and switching to some samson ropes for climbing. I am mainly looking for something 150' long and definitely something that will not stretch much. You may want to try some brand that has kernmantle in it. Just my opinion.

There is no such thing as a rope "that has kernmantle in it"

Kernmantle is a type or construction of rope:

"Kernmantle rope is rope constructed with its interior core (the kern) protected with a woven exterior sheath (mantle) that is designed to optimize strength, durability, and flexibility."
(from NationMaster.com - an online encyclopedia)

Its similar to a double braid. The Cover and Core both share the load, as opposed to most 16 strand ropes getting the strength from its outer covering and using the core for shape, or most double braids getting its strength from the core, and using the cover to protect it

 

[TreeTopKid]

The fact that anyone is still climbing on 1/2 inch line with a split tail should warn you right now that they are old school.

Funny you should say that because when I started out I was using 10mm rock climbing line, and switched to half inch/ split tail following advice from my college tutor. Kernmantle climbing lines are nothing new, neither are spliced eyes.

 

[oldirty]

Have you tried those cotten goloves with silicon palms? AWESOME! I wear them everywhere now LOL! Seriously though no more calouses! $2.97 HOME DEPOT!

the atlas fit? good gloves for sure.

by killing my hands i meant the the smaller diameter line will make my hands a whole lot crampier because of the squeeze i gotta put on the rope. the true blue puffs up a bit after some use which makes it better for me. i dont really wear gloves unless its too cold but even so it wont help with the squeeze.

thanks though.

hey tree md, that help explain why i like the 1/2? hell if i could find a lighter 9/16 i'd go on that. lol.

 

[md_tree_dood]

Is that what that indicates? :monkey: It could be the dudes just haven't been exposed to it or don't trust the new gadgets.

Thanks for repeating what I was saying

 

[Nailsbeats]

Thanks for repeating what I was saying

If that's what you meant, then glad I could help drive the point home to our viewers.