Non-petro chainsaw products?

[jkrueger]

Non-petro bar oil = ?
Non-petrol gas oil mix = ?

Besides being conscious of environ, it would be great to not have to have spills affect climbing line etc.

I heard, can't place it, about the use of non-petro product to accomplish the above.

Anybody know more about this?

Jack

 

[Redbull]

I am going to try veggie oil for bar oil, and I would be thrilled if I could find an eco friendly alternative to 2cycle mix. I am getting ready to start a marketing campaign focusing on the many ways my copany is a "Green" company. I am preparing to start using Bio Diesel in my truck as well as using an Ethanol blend in my gas powered equip. (except small engines). I am also recycling 100% of all organic waste that I haul away.

 

[jkrueger]

I am going to try veggie oil for bar oil, and I would be thrilled if I could find an eco friendly alternative to 2cycle mix. I am getting ready to start a marketing campaign focusing on the many ways my copany is a "Green" company. I am preparing to start using Bio Diesel in my truck as well as using an Ethanol blend in my gas powered equip. (except small engines). I am also recycling 100% of all organic waste that I haul away.

great, ya, vegy oil, I'll try it.

Say, we should report any findings we have about these non-petro uses here, OK? And how-to stuff.

Jack

 

[Redbull]

I know the veggie oil thing has been played out here before, but I still think this is a great thread. Im always looking for new ways to operate in a more environmentally friendly manner.

 

[jp hallman]

These fine folk have some Canola based bar oil.
http://www.familyforests.org/goods-services/eco-supplies.shtml

 

[Redbull]

I have an opportunity to get recycled and filtered restaurant oil for a buck a gallon, delivered. What do ya'll think of using it for bar oil?

 

[Husky288XP]

We don't use petro, we use GAS!!!!!

 

[jp hallman]

I have an opportunity to get recycled and filtered restaurant oil for a buck a gallon, delivered. What do ya'll think of using it for bar oil?

Make Biodiesel out of it instead.

 

[skwerl]

Why is oil so bad? It comes from the Earth, just like the rest of your fuels. And if it was so toxic then why aren't we all poisoned from handling it every day? Do you honestly think we would be able to pump our own gas or change our own oil without major government restrictions if it were as toxic as the enviro-whackos would like you to believe? I betcha if Canola oil was dumped all over like petroleum oil is now, the enviro-whackos would be clammoring about that.

BTW, do you know how they make blacktop highways? They pour thousands of gallons of oil on the ground! Nobody complains about that!

 

[Redbull]

Skerl, I feel ya as far as the environmental impact goes. One of my motivating factors is cost. I can get the Bio diesel for $1.60/gal compared to $2.45/gal for regular diesel. Also, bar oil costs about $4-5 gal where as I can get veggie for a buck a gallon. The "Green" company idea is simply a marketing tool.Promoting renewable resources is a popular marketing ploy right now, why not take advantage of it?
Remeber, we are in business to make money too.

 

[skwerl]

Supply and demand. If you promote the veggie oil too well, everyone will want it and the price will go up. And there's a heck of a lot more oil than there is veggie oil. I can see the day when there will be no price advantage to using veggie.

Bar oil for $2.86 at Wally World. I buy a dozen at a time, wipe off their shelf. Down to about 2 gallons, time to make another trip soon.

Remember back in the 70's and 80's when we were told to buy diesel cars because diesel was a little more than half the cost of gasoline? Today the cost of diesel hovers around the same price as premium gas.

 

[jp hallman]

Hmmm, seems you fella's are missing a few facts. Oil is toxic. Crude or refined. Even more so after it's burned and then spilled. The main positive factor of making Biodiesel is, for one, it's a renewable resource. Tree tops can contribute to it's manufacture. The thing I like most about Biodiesel is the money stays in our community, not the Middle East.
Petro-based oil will contaminate the soil if applied for any duration of time. Sure the soil could be "scrubbed" clean again. Drawback of petro(dino) oil. It's being used up and will someday exist no more.
Canola oil is biodegradable, whereas "dino-oil" is not. You could take a swig of Canola oil and it wouldn't make you sick. It'd probably make a turd shoot ten feet, but...dino-oil would most definitely make you ill. Nothing wrong with being an environmentalist. Just not the wacko' extreme type. let's change with the times gents. It's gonna' happen anyway. Jump on the bandwagon and make some cash will the makin's good.

 

[Redbull]

Hmmm, seems you fella's are missing a few facts. Oil is toxic. Crude or refined. Even more so after it's burned and then spilled. The main positive factor of making Biodiesel is, for one, it's a renewable resource. Tree tops can contribute to it's manufacture. The thing I like most about Biodiesel is the money stays in our community, not the Middle East.
Petro-based oil will contaminate the soil if applied for any duration of time. Sure the soil could be "scrubbed" clean again. Drawback of petro(dino) oil. It's being used up and will someday exist no more.
Canola oil is biodegradable, whereas "dino-oil" is not. You could take a swig of Canola oil and it wouldn't make you sick. It'd probably make a turd shoot ten feet, but...dino-oil would most definitely make you ill. Nothing wrong with being an environmentalist. Just not the wacko' extreme type. let's change with the times gents. It's gonna' happen anyway. Jump on the bandwagon and make some cash will the makin's good.

Points well taken. From a financial standpoint, being more eco concious is a money saver in my particular situation. It may be different for others, but for me it works out well.

 

[Tree Machine]

These fine folk have some Canola based bar oil.

Straight canola works just fine, especially in sub-freezing temps. Above 20 degrees F., ANY veggie oil works the same as any of the others,; corn, soybean, etc.

Yesterday my apprenticeafter watching me pour veggie oil into my bar tank asked me how long I'd been doing that. "I'm beginning year #4." He said, "As soon as I finish this jug of bar oil, I'm gonna go veggie." I said "You just got a 25 cent an hour raise."

 

[Diesel JD]

Well I am running straight corn oil in my saws. The MS390 oils a little lean anyway, and it's running alternately a 25" bar and a 16" bow. I will let everyone know how it does....I will consider how it does in these demanding situations a good test of it's efficacy. NO problems so far,
J.D.

 

[jp hallman]

Way to go! I like reading this sort of thing. I used to think just Elk hunters used Veggi-oil in their saws!

 

[Tree Machine]

Works like a non-toxic dream. Your cloths no longer stink. You can feel good about the oil you spray around the environment and get on your clothes and tools and hands.

 

[db_010]

Just thought I’d offer these links in case anybody wants to try it. I have a bottle of the 2-stroke pre-mix, but haven’t tried it in anything yet. I’d be curious to know how well it works and whether it’s cost effective.

Bar & chain oil:
http://www.terresolve.com/bar.html

2-stroke pre-miix oil (appears to be recommended for use in air cooled 2-stroke motors only):
http://www.terresolve.com/twocycle.html

 

[BlueRidgeMark]

He said, "As soon as I finish this jug of bar oil, I'm gonna go veggie." I said "You just got a 25 cent an hour raise."

That's putting your money where your mouth is!





<sigh> I bought petro bar oil just the day before stumbling across the info on veggie oil on this site.

Oh, well. Guess I'll just have to cut something to use it up!


What about mixing the two? That Stihl bar oil doesn't flow in this weather. It could use some thinning. Canola?

 

[clearance]

Blue Ridge-do they not sell summer and winter oil where you are?. I am all for doing good for the land, veg oil in saws is ok in the cool, when it is hot it is not thick enough, not enough tack. I have heard of people having to use veg. hydrailic oil in sensitve areas, in excavators beside water, sawmills beside rivers. They told me this oil cakes onto stuff when it leaks and biulds up, also it has to be changed more often and does not have the same qualities regarding viscosity. Over time these problems will be worked out, till then I'll stick with what I know works. Tree machine-thats the smell of money, helps waterproof your stuff too.