Photo spurs look at logging practices.

rbtree · Dec 16, 2007

I'm surprised Weyerhauser did such a large and obnoxious clearcut, and the DNR let them.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/zoom/html/2004076264.html

clearance · Dec 16, 2007

Its not a very large clearcut, it is a clearcut in the wrong place. I have seen way bigger and nastier here. Take heart, it will grow back, it always does on the coast.

joesawer · Dec 16, 2007

In between the turn of the century and WW II virtually the whole Smokey Mountians were clear cut. It was the last of the old growth back east. There was no environmental regard or any BMP's used, The pics of the erosion and slash piles are staggering. Today, if you don't know what to look for, there is virtually no clue of how it looked 60 to 100 years ago. I have had more than one do good, tree hugger type argue that it is an old growth, or virgen forest, and has never been logged on a large scale.
I am not saying that BMP's are a bad thing, I just wish that things were balanced with a dose of reality.
They should post some pics of the erosion after a fire.
Plastic surgery is pretty dang ugly right after it is done, but most of the time it gets to looking better after a little while. The same with clear cuts. Give it a few years and then see what it looks like.

clearance · Dec 16, 2007

joesawer said:
In between the turn of the century and WW II virtually the whole Smokey Mountians were clear cut. It was the last of the old growth back east. There was no environmental regard or any BMP's used, The pics of the erosion and slash piles are staggering. Today, if you don't know what to look for, there is virtually no clue of how it looked 60 to 100 years ago. I have had more than one do good, tree hugger type argue that it is an old growth, or virgen forest, and has never been logged on a large scale.
I am not saying that BMP's are a bad thing, I just wish that things were balanced with a dose of reality.
They should post some pics of the erosion after a fire.
Plastic surgery is pretty dang ugly right after it is done, but most of the time it gets to looking better after a little while. The same with clear cuts. Give it a few years and then see what it looks like.

Good post, it is also so here. Back in the day, way back, like up to over 120 years ago, much of the B.C. coast was A-frame logged, that is to say, stripped 1000-1500ft. from the sea. Now, it is common fior the tree hugging, know-it-all morons to call this old growth and to whine when logging takes place there. It is second growth, provides much amusement for those who know. Clearcuts look ugly, so what, they don't look that way for long. If you really want to see bears, go to an area that was clearcut a few years back, they are there big time. You will also hear about how benifical slides are to wildlife in old growth settings. So it is, Greenpeace wants your money, whatever they and thier ilk have to do or say to get it matters not.

slowp · Dec 16, 2007

Be sure and read the rainfall for that storm. It was an unusual one--14 inches in 24 hours for most of that area. I just got cleaned up from going into that valley and helping clean up again. We saw one landowner was decking the timber that had washed down on their land. That valley is just one big mud wrestling pit. Last week we were shovel operators (the manual kind) and today were insulation destroyers. Logging is always blamed for anything that happens in nature anymore. I point out what Mt. St Helens did and get told that that is different. Not really. The folks in that valley are still in shock and need help from people who know how to work. There were 5 people under today's house on their knees in the mud, I worked the outside loading the stuff in a wheelbarrow and dumping it. We got that baby stripped of insulation in about an hour. I felt guilty for being outside but I'm claustrophobic. That's what they need people to do. I loaned my raingear to one of the guys going under but then I was up to my knees in gunk in my jeans. Some city kids looked at us when we returned to the grange and I think some of them wanted to go home instead of getting filthy. Today's work was an improvement. They had the water on so we could hose off. That was not an option last weekend. There were not as many volunteers this weekend though. So, if you are bored and want a good physical workout, head that way. We checked in at the Baw Faw Grange. They will be dismantling that soon so the best place to find out is to read the Centralia daily newspaper...The Chronicle. :cheers:

slowp · Dec 18, 2007

Ruh roh. One in Oregon too.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/119795777942340.xml&coll=7&thispage=1

1I'dJak · Dec 20, 2007

the father in law worked on the biggest clearcut on vancouver island... they used a photo of it for a national geographic article on bc, calling it the brazil of the north... he's no tree hugger but he said it was pretty ####ty practices... right on the hill and back down again....suffered from massive landslides afterwards cuz it was so steep and rainy... there definetly is major wildlife in a clearcut a few years after...but go there in few decades when its solid doghair and its a deadzone...